Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

CarmineD wrote:

Also as of now, no newsaper coverage.  Perhaps in today's paper?  After I peruse, I'll know.

Carmine D.

Nothing written, nothing aired, nothing discussed, nothing shared.  By all media measures the 2009 VDTA is a bust.  Perhaps ORECK, with 3 stores in Vegas and another planned, was prescient by passing it up this year.

Carmine D.

The DC22 Turbinehead ($699) is now being sold by at least one indie store online. The Motorhead version ($799) will start shipping on April 6th.

More info:

• The DC22 Turbinehead will be an independent dealer exclusive.

• The DC22 Motorhead will be sold through mass retailers nationwide, as well as on the Dyson website beginning in April.

Power ratings

• DC21 - 220 air watts

• DC22 - 230 air watts

• DC23 - 220 air watts

iMacDaddy wrote:
Another useless Turbo for us to sell and make good on for disappointed customers.....WOW thanks for the bone!

Lucky1 wrote:

Do you sell Dyson?

MacDaddy wrote:
Lucky1 wrote:
Are you a Dyson dealer?

It’s my understanding turbo nozzle vacuums sell well where hard surfaces make up the greater percentage of the home.

The DDM’s 80,000 rpm motor is very powerful and pulls lots of air... hence the 5-7 years until pre-filter cleaning.  Likewise, a Dyson turbo nozzle [vacuum] married with the DDM should prove "best in class" and/or eclipse all other [turbo] nozzles.

DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Hi DIB,

A powered nozzle of any kind is not necessary for large or small expanses of bare floor. A plain old bare floor tool does just nicely. Generally, air-turbine nozzles are great at making impressive noise but not much else. They are usually sold by demoing them with yours, mine and everyone's favorite substance -- kapok -- which really wows a crowd as it ever so easily whooshed up.

The usual air-driven turbine nozzle has a narrow air inlet in the brush chamber that leads directly to the turbine blades. The inlet is deliberately made narrow so that it intensifies the air stream that enters the turbine area to allow more force against the blades. The fly in the ointment here is that these devices require constant airflow to keep the brushroll running at a decent speed. To accomplish this vents are place in spots to allow air to enter the nozzle above floor level. (Without the vents they stall easily.) Yes the brushroll spins nicely but suction at floor level, where it's needed most, is sacrificed. Thus, "deep cleaning" is not possible.

The only turbine nozzles I've seen that might be of some worth are the rather large type used with central vac systems. Their turbines are large and act as flywheels whose inertial energy is used to enhance strength of motion. These of course are powered by central vacs which have much higher airflow and suction strength than a regular household vacuum.

Electric power nozzle only need one form of power to drive their brushrolls and suction delivery does not have to be double-tasked or compromised. This allows for far more effective brushroll designs and results in far better cleaning ability.

Venson

Venson,

Thanks for the central vac info, etc.

Agreed, large hard surfaces are vacuumed by floor tools, and for some the turbo nozzle is a secondary tool.  And is a less expensive alternative to the Motorhead.

It is my understanding turbo nozzles are popular in humid climates here in the U.S. and popular in Europe, Japan, etc., although I do not have those numbers.  The turbo nozzle typically is a dog, we will have to wait and see how the DDM married to a turbo nozzle performs.  Yes suction is sacrificed and is typically not “the way to go”, but we are not talking of the antique any longer...  we are talking of the worlds only 5 to 7 years until pre-filter cleaning vacuum, powered by a digital motor - the DDM DC22.  The “air-leak” or the air dedicated to drive the turbo nozzle is a “plus” for the cyclonic’s (more/fast air, the better it filters).  The air-leak can be offset by the nozzles opening but we will have to wait and see.


DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:
DIB, you're concentrating too much on form over function and may be also be missing the point as you have someone to come in and clean. I like your cleaning lady want to get tackle the job and get with the sense there has been real accomplishment for the effort. The mechanics of whatever is going on inside my vacuum is not half as important to me as what is going on at floor level. Spin the dirt bounce or mash it, whatever -- I want a clean result for my effort. Power is not necessarily an issue in that case. There have been vacuums that excel at getting and helping keep households clean at no more than 500 watts power usage.

By the way, the marriage of a high-powered vacuum and a turbo nozzle has already been tried (Black & Decker VN1400P). The cleaner has phenomenal suction but the does nothing spectacular on carpeting. I know because I bought one. However, it only took $200 to learn my mistake.

When you get a chance to check out one of these new Dysons I'd wager that your gong to find soft long brush tufts that allow for easy turns of the brush roll while in use. Not helpful. As well, air leaks don't help in that agitation and good suction are needed to bring up as much of the trampled in grit and dirt in carpeting as possible.

A digital motor means little to me unless due to it I can have the trade-off of greater collection capacity (meaning less frequent emptying) and anticipate longer motor life. As for filters, 5 to 7 years filter life without cleaning has yet to be seen. REgarding this too I'd bet there'll be a good number in back in the shop for repairs. There is no way to universally gauge what's going to work user by user.

For the price being asked, Dyson could easily afford to supply an electric power nozzle and be done with it. The purpose of a PN is to allow a canister to make the effectiveness and efficiency of an upright vacuum. Dabbling in between is a waste of the consumer's time and money. I'd have far less to say about this if we were only talking about an expense of $300 or so.

Venson

PS -- Do me a favor. Some time tonight check out your carpeted high traffic areas at home. Just get down on the floor and use your thumbs or fingers to separate the pile here and there to see what's at the base of the carpet's tufts. If there is a lot of grit and dirt down there -- not so good. If little is found then things are pretty much okay. Doing okay is what's the fuss is all about.

Best,

Venson

Venson wrote:

Hi Venson:

I'd say your observation of DIB is true across the board of dyson's products to date.  And the proof is in the rug, as you pointedly make.

Carmine D.