Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

It's true, no more clutch.  It uses a brushroll motor.

CarmineD wrote:  Like the DC15 ball, which is a bust for sales, so is the DC24 and DC25.  Recall dyson dropped its price in the USA by $100 just a few months into its launch.  Sure retailers put the ball models at the top of their lists.  What exactly does that mean?  Explain it for me.  Do you really expect retailers to publicly say that the dyson ball models are THE WORSE SELLING DYSON MODELS THEY EVER CARRIED SAVE THE DC11?  If they were honest, perhaps.  But you know that retailers can't be honest and expect customers to buy new dysons, especially the ball models.  

Are you creating a conspiracy theory here? I expect when I look at a best seller list from a reputable company that it is indeed what they sell most of.   Does the New York Times bestseller list really consist of poor selling books that nobody wants?  Does the Fortune 500 have people that are ranked at #800 but nobody wants to admit it? Why would a company go to all the trouble to include something on a best seller list that isn't selling?  If you're running a business don't you simply drop the line if it doesn't sell?  How many times have Best Buy and Target and Walmart re-ordered from Dyson?  Surely you're not suggesting they bought so many that they're still on the first batch...but when they're gone they'll never darken store shelves again.

CarmineD wrote: I'm happy for you that the DC25 is good seller for you.  You are in a silent tiny minority of dyson ball fans.

It's not about being a Dyson Ball fan, it's about you saying the DC25 isn't selling based on the fact they promo it with a DC16.  If this is just your opinion, please say so and it's end of discussion but if you have legitimate figures that state the DC25 is a huge flop and sells poorly please post them for all to read.  Personally I'd love to see sales figures from all companies but as much as I try, I can't really find anything.  I can only assume that you are in the know and have numbers based on your statement.  Share the wealth please.

Dusty

HARDSELL wrote:

NO, revolving brush speed [6500 RPM] is separate and distinct from the air flow direct suction of 102 miles per hour.

Recall, a lightweight Electrolux Intensity upright had more suction power [by 60 percent] with a full paper bag than an empty dyson DC14, according to the facts and findings of the ASA.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB:

A web of the facts.  Dyson clutches gone in the USA.  DC07 and DC14 discontinued by dyson period.  The number of refurbs for these models are sky high.  Prices for them are crashing down.  Consumer Reports has never rated/ranked a dyson clutch model in the top 10.  Ever.  Those are the facts.  

WRT your last statement, I quote Abraham Lincoln.  You can fool some of the people some of the time.  You can fool all of the people some of time.  But you can't fool all the people all the time.  Dyson's back is up against the wall.  The trusting clutch club of women who bought into dysons originally are now onto you.  Read the reviews on line.

Carmine D. 

DIB/Dusty:

Is this a conspiracy theory:  DC24 ball launched April 2008.  One of dyson's latest and greatest models.  [BTW, copied ORECK's lightweight upright vacuum from over 45 years ago].  Worst Consumer Reports vacuum rating/ranking of all previous dysons that are 6 plus years old and getting discontinued [for flaws and faults].  Companies are supposed to produce better products with experience, not worse.  So much for ball technology.  Let's see what CR says about the DC25.  We know what it said about the DC15 [btw that dyson ball model is gone too].  You know what CR said too.  You quoted it in regards to the DC25 as reasons for having detractors.   Ball technology for vacuums isn't impressing anyone [save you and DIB]!  Then song doesn't apply here: It takes two.  Not enough.

Carmine D.

BTW, DIB:  Tell us, please, how much did you pay for your DC15?  Was that $300, you said?  On a $600 MSRP dyson.  With customers like you, no wonder James' net worth is trending downward.  From $2B to $1B.  Oops.  Is that a conspiracy theory?

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:

HS:

With my little edits then you have perfectly described the flaws of the gawdawful clutch and brush bar with screeching noises of DC07 and DC14's.  Congratulations.  You finally got it!  Now share with DIB.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
So  I can assume that you don't have any legitimate sales numbers to back up your statement that the DC25 is a poor seller and it was simply your opinion and not fact? 

Dusty

I believe that Carmine is providing his educated opinion, and it does seem plausible.   With the economy in the dumps, I would suspect that sales of high priced vacuums are down.  It is common for manufacturers to lower prices and/or offer enhancements like the handheld Dyson to spur sales.   Since Dyson does not release detailed sales information, only company insiders really know what the sales figures are.  There always seems to be a plentiful supply of refurbished Dysons for sale. 

I would also suspect that most Americans would be unhappy if they had to pay $130 bucks or so for a replacement clutch on a Dyson.   Most people who buy Dysons think they are getting a vacuum with no additional maintenance costs.   If the clutch replacements are a common problem, they Dyson can expect some serious backlash. 

So what is the life expectancy of the little brushroll motors on the Dysons, and what is the replacement cost including installation?  Can consumers expect to pay $150 every 5 years for a new motor?

Severus wrote:
There is nothing wrong with providing opinion, I just don't believe opinion should be offered up as fact.  I have asked nothing more of Carmine (whom I do enjoy sparring with) than he asks of anyone else here.  On many a post he has requested numbers as proof of a statement, I am simply asking the same. 

Dusty

Severus wrote:
Hi Severus,

A clutch and belt assy retails online for about $40.  The installation is performed in real time on youtube ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_CtaFcc5HU) in just under 10 minutes.  In my area the labor charge for such a job would be 30-40 dollars.  Even if it was 50 dollars labor it would still be a $90 total repair. When people are buying Dirt Devils and Bissells at $200 a pop every two or three years, I don't see much of an issue with replacing a clutch after 5.  I know I certainly don't sell any brands that require no repairs after 5 years...doesn't matter if it's Riccar, Eureka, Sebo or whatever.  They all require something at some point.

Dusty