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DysonInventsBig
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Re: The DC27 - to replace the DC07 & DC14. Say good-bye to the clutch.
Reply #81 Apr 9, 2009 7:19 pm |
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In fact, many retailers, after threats of legal action and suits by vacuum customers, have taken dysons back long after 30-60-90 days. The reason in part, retailers are culling their dyson inventories in these bad times. And so many dyson refurbs for sale. And probably the reason in part the Dc07 and Dc14 are being scrubbed by dyson. To many returns due to faulty clutch chatter. Drives people and pets crazy. Like scratching your nails over the chalk board. Or a rake over the concrete. Just gets under your skin. Carmine D.
DIB: All you have to do is read some of the customer reviews for these dyson models. It's all there. Just have to look and read. Carmine D. Yeah, where? They’re your statements not mine. So produce...
Can you demonstrate 10 such - "threats of legal action" and "suits by vacuum customers"? Since Google has claimed 1 trillion pages indexed, surely 5 minutes researching will aid in the “bellying up” with a negligible 10 complaints out of 20 million Dyson’s sold.
Thanks in advance.
DIB DIB: If they are sooooooooooooooo good, tell me why the DC07/14 and the clutches are kaput! Carmine D. DIB: You made those statements here in writing about the clutch chatter/mediocre CR DC07 and DC14 ranks. I don't have to produce evidence to change your mind. Believe what you want to believe in your mind. Doesn't change the facts. DC07 and DC14 are finito. Gone. Sayonara on the tin guitar. Dyson clutches on US models are gone with the wind. You can believe these dyson models are the best on the planet in dyson's reportoire. Butt even James himself would disagree with you. Unless of course he pulled them and discontinued clutch usage because they are soooooooooooooo good. Carmine D. Carmine, Oh! what a tangled web you weave when first you practice to deceive! At the end of the day... You’ve got nothin. - No proof, no ability to prove, no willingness to prove. Q: Does Dyson have a clutch chatter problem on some carpetings and/or after many years of use? A: Yes. And so what. Return it if under 30 days, fix it if worn. A: Is the chatter problem nearly as big as you claim or attempt to lead others to believe? A: No. Look around, you’re not in your store and you’re not having a private conversation with Little Miss Trusting customer. Those days are gone! DIB
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HARDSELL
Joined: Aug 22, 2007
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Re: The DC27 - to replace the DC07 & DC14. Say good-bye to the clutch.
Reply #82 Apr 9, 2009 7:43 pm |
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Me too. ORECK documents its direct suction air flow and revolving speed of the brush roll [based on scientific measurements] of 102 MPH and 6500 RPM. Plus, one of the largest paper bag capacities in the industry. What's your fave brand's speeds? Carmine D.
Are you saying that the brush roll spinning at 6500 RPM is creating all the suction ? Speed and RPM do not reflect power. Power is more directly related to torque. The tiny oreck motor would stall under a direct pulling force against the brush. Face it the brush doesn't suck. Well maybe it does suck like the oreck's inability to deep clean and that ain't good.
You already told us that the oreck floats on the carpet. The brush is simply moving surface dirt since it doesn't go deep to pull the dirt up.
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: The DC27 - to replace the DC07 & DC14. Say good-bye to the clutch.
Reply #84 Apr 10, 2009 7:21 am |
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Are you saying that the brush roll spinning at 6500 RPM is creating all the suction ?
NO, revolving brush speed [6500 RPM] is separate and distinct from the air flow direct suction of 102 miles per hour.
Recall, a lightweight Electrolux Intensity upright had more suction power [by 60 percent] with a full paper bag than an empty dyson DC14, according to the facts and findings of the ASA. Carmine D.
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CarmineD
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Re: The DC27 - to replace the DC07 & DC14. Say good-bye to the clutch.
Reply #85 Apr 10, 2009 7:30 am |
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Carmine,
Oh! what a tangled web you weave when first you practice to deceive!
At the end of the day... You’ve got nothin. - No proof, no ability to prove, no willingness to prove.
Q: Does Dyson have a clutch chatter problem on some carpetings and/or after many years of use?
A: Yes. And so what. Return it if under 30 days, fix it if worn.
A: Is the chatter problem nearly as big as you claim or attempt to lead others to believe?
A: No.
Look around, you’re not in your store and you’re not having a private conversation with Little Miss Trusting customer. Those days are gone!
DIB
DIB:
A web of the facts. Dyson clutches gone in the USA. DC07 and DC14 discontinued by dyson period. The number of refurbs for these models are sky high. Prices for them are crashing down. Consumer Reports has never rated/ranked a dyson clutch model in the top 10. Ever. Those are the facts. WRT your last statement, I quote Abraham Lincoln. You can fool some of the people some of the time. You can fool all of the people some of time. But you can't fool all the people all the time. Dyson's back is up against the wall. The trusting clutch club of women who bought into dysons originally are now onto you. Read the reviews on line. Carmine D.
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CarmineD
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Re: The DC27 - to replace the DC07 & DC14. Say good-bye to the clutch.
Reply #86 Apr 10, 2009 7:39 am |
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DIB/Dusty: Is this a conspiracy theory: DC24 ball launched April 2008. One of dyson's latest and greatest models. [BTW, copied ORECK's lightweight upright vacuum from over 45 years ago]. Worst Consumer Reports vacuum rating/ranking of all previous dysons that are 6 plus years old and getting discontinued [for flaws and faults]. Companies are supposed to produce better products with experience, not worse. So much for ball technology. Let's see what CR says about the DC25. We know what it said about the DC15 [btw that dyson ball model is gone too]. You know what CR said too. You quoted it in regards to the DC25 as reasons for having detractors. Ball technology for vacuums isn't impressing anyone [save you and DIB]! Then song doesn't apply here: It takes two. Not enough. Carmine D.
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CarmineD
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Re: The DC27 - to replace the DC07 & DC14. Say good-bye to the clutch.
Reply #88 Apr 10, 2009 8:10 am |
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...tiny [DYSON BRUSH BAR/CLUTCH] would stall under a direct pulling force against the brush. Face it the brush doesn't suck. Well maybe it does suck but inability to deep clean and that ain't good.
HS:
With my little edits then you have perfectly described the flaws of the gawdawful clutch and brush bar with screeching noises of DC07 and DC14's. Congratulations. You finally got it! Now share with DIB. Carmine D.
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dusty
Joined: Feb 8, 2008
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Re: The DC27 - to replace the DC07 & DC14. Say good-bye to the clutch.
Reply #89 Apr 10, 2009 9:49 am |
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DIB/Dusty: Is this a conspiracy theory: DC24 ball launched April 2008. One of dyson's latest and greatest models. [BTW, copied ORECK's lightweight upright vacuum from over 45 years ago]. Worst Consumer Reports vacuum rating/ranking of all previous dysons that are 6 plus years old and getting discontinued [for flaws and faults]. Companies are supposed to produce better products with experience, not worse. So much for ball technology. Let's see what CR says about the DC25. We know what it said about the DC15 [btw that dyson ball model is gone too]. You know what CR said too. You quoted it in regards to the DC25 as reasons for having detractors. Ball technology for vacuums isn't impressing anyone [save you and DIB]! Then song doesn't apply here: It takes two. Not enough. Carmine D. So I can assume that you don't have any legitimate sales numbers to back up your statement that the DC25 is a poor seller and it was simply your opinion and not fact? Dusty
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Severus
If my vacuum can remove even one spec of dirt that yours misses, then mine is better than yours - even if there's no proof that mine would have picked up as much dirt as yours...
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Re: The DC27 - to replace the DC07 & DC14. Say good-bye to the clutch.
Reply #90 Apr 10, 2009 11:13 am |
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I believe that Carmine is providing his educated opinion, and it does seem plausible. With the economy in the dumps, I would suspect that sales of high priced vacuums are down. It is common for manufacturers to lower prices and/or offer enhancements like the handheld Dyson to spur sales. Since Dyson does not release detailed sales information, only company insiders really know what the sales figures are. There always seems to be a plentiful supply of refurbished Dysons for sale. I would also suspect that most Americans would be unhappy if they had to pay $130 bucks or so for a replacement clutch on a Dyson. Most people who buy Dysons think they are getting a vacuum with no additional maintenance costs. If the clutch replacements are a common problem, they Dyson can expect some serious backlash. So what is the life expectancy of the little brushroll motors on the Dysons, and what is the replacement cost including installation? Can consumers expect to pay $150 every 5 years for a new motor?
The smart tyrant writes his own story to ensure that it is favorable. The lazy will repeat lines from the book without fact checking.
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