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DysonInventsBig
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Re: The DC27 - to replace the DC07 & DC14. Say good-bye to the clutch.
Reply #78 Apr 9, 2009 6:04 pm |
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The spring is shown on the schematic, #8 on the left hand side. From memory (I'm at home) I believe it was attached fro the body to the floating brush head. By doing this it eliminates the problem the DC07 had with the sole plate not always making full contact with the floor.
Maneuvering definitely has a place in the vacuum industry. I will agree that the Dyson pn is by far the most steerable, the Sebo shown isn't bad but pales in comparison to either the Wessell Werk or Riccar powerheads. I'd give these two a close runner up to the Dyson. The Ball uprights certainly are maneuverable but the also aren't for everyone. I have seen people with bad wrists or shoulders struggle with the steering aspect. It would be nice to see Dyson bring the handle weight of these machines down a little bit, it would certainly make ease of use better.
As far as the DC22 nozzle goes, I can see where it would have it's fans and also it's detractors. In our area, where house prices have gone thru the roof the trend is toward condos which also means less square footage, tighter living areas and less storage. Small machines are a good seller for us but there are still customers who want smaller and smaller with a powerhead would be even better. We'll see what happens when the machines hit the market here and what price they come in at.
Dusty Dusty, Dyson Ball: There are few products that are all things to all people for sure. The Dyson Ball is a huge break-thru product that answers a problem other manufacturers *failed to answer. And it turns better than anything on the planet! I was told many times... the DC18 Slim sells itself. The Slim commercial sold the vacuum and it never suctioned up a single thing. People want better lives and Dyson delivered and is being rewarded monetarily. FYI, Dyson has a patent application that addresses the inability for Dyson Ball vacuums to lay prone/near prone. The patent does not claim any prone/near prone abilities but the illustrations do. The stabilizer wheels collapse forward and out of the way. DC22 steering: I was challenged here to look closer at the DDM Motorhead nozzle. After viewing video of the turning abilities, it is a winner and stands alone. But, I have yet to see this Wessell Werk or Riccar powerheads, I’d like to see em, I’d appreciate it if could point me to an illustration, etc.. If this nozzle (9” to 11”) were place on other (less expensive) Dyson canisters I’d think they would sell very well based on the Slim and Dyson Ball sales. I too, see this vacuum being desired by those in smaller homes, condos and apartments. DC27: I missed the spring. Thank you. I watched the DC14 and/or DC07 demonstrated on HSN long ago and knew then that the front of the nozzle lifted on the pull back stroke (after running the clip back frame-by-frame) not good for suctioning to say the least, although it maybe was due to a fast pulling back, but I’m not sure. The spring is a cheap N fast fix. The DC27 carrying handle looks like it’s the lowest in his full size category. Now Dyson has 3 vacuums in 3 categories that can be carried easily/easier and/or carried upstairs easily/easier than before. DIB * There are a few patents on so-called steerable, but the suffer with much NOTHING that reacts (nozzle reacts) in concert to wrist turn as the Dyson.
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Re: The DC27 - to replace the DC07 & DC14. Say good-bye to the clutch.
Reply #79 Apr 9, 2009 6:30 pm |
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Dusty,
Dyson Ball:
There are few products that are all things to all people for sure. The Dyson Ball is a huge break-thru product that answers a problem other manufacturers *failed to answer. And it turns better than anything on the planet! I was told many times... the DC18 Slim sells itself. The Slim commercial sold the vacuum and it never suctioned up a single thing. People want better lives and Dyson delivered and is being rewarded monetarily.
FYI, Dyson has a patent application that addresses the inability for Dyson Ball vacuums to lay prone. The patent does not claim any prone abilities but the illustrations do. The stabilizer wheels collapse forward and out of the way.
DC22 steering:
I was challenged here to look closer at the DDM Motorhead nozzle. After viewing video of the turning abilities, it is a winner and stands alone. But, I have yet to see this Wessell Werk or Riccar powerheads, I’d like to see em, I’d appreciate it if could point me to an illustration, etc..
If this nozzle (9” to 11”) were place on other (less expensive) Dyson canisters I’d think they would sell very well based on the Slim and Dyson Ball sales. I too, see this vacuum being desired by those in smaller homes, condos and apartments.
DC27:
I missed the spring. Thank you. I watched the DC14 and/or DC07 demonstrated on HSN long ago and knew then that the front of the nozzle lifted on the pull back stroke (after running the clip back frame-by-frame) not good for suctioning to say the least, although it maybe was due to a fast pulling back, but I’m not sure. The spring is a cheap N fast fix. The DC27 carrying handle looks like it’s the lowest in his full size category. Now Dyson has 3 vacuums in 3 categories that can be carried easily/easier and/or carried upstairs easily/easier than before.
DIB
* There are a few patents on so-called steerable, but the suffer with much NOTHING that reacts (nozzle reacts) in concert to wrist turn as the Dyson.
Hi DIB
Interesting to hear Dyson is looking at the issue with the ball vacuums inability to lay prone! Sounds interesting the stabilizer wheels collapse forward, look forward to seeing that invention! Can the illustration be viewed? Now the original DC01 used a rubber piece (very small) on the pivoting soleplate to make sure it said in contact with the floor! Like an elastic band effect! I have to say the very first DC01 that didn't have a pivoting soleplate performed better I think in terms of cleaning performance! The pivoting soleplate on the DC01 was not seal so well as they are now so some of the suction was lost I think (from experience of both types). DC18
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Re: The DC27 - to replace the DC07 & DC14. Say good-bye to the clutch.
Reply #80 Apr 9, 2009 7:07 pm |
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Re: The DC27 - to replace the DC07 & DC14. Say good-bye to the clutch.
Reply #81 Apr 9, 2009 7:19 pm |
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In fact, many retailers, after threats of legal action and suits by vacuum customers, have taken dysons back long after 30-60-90 days. The reason in part, retailers are culling their dyson inventories in these bad times. And so many dyson refurbs for sale. And probably the reason in part the Dc07 and Dc14 are being scrubbed by dyson. To many returns due to faulty clutch chatter. Drives people and pets crazy. Like scratching your nails over the chalk board. Or a rake over the concrete. Just gets under your skin. Carmine D.
DIB: All you have to do is read some of the customer reviews for these dyson models. It's all there. Just have to look and read. Carmine D. Yeah, where? They’re your statements not mine. So produce...
Can you demonstrate 10 such - "threats of legal action" and "suits by vacuum customers"? Since Google has claimed 1 trillion pages indexed, surely 5 minutes researching will aid in the “bellying up” with a negligible 10 complaints out of 20 million Dyson’s sold.
Thanks in advance.
DIB DIB: If they are sooooooooooooooo good, tell me why the DC07/14 and the clutches are kaput! Carmine D. DIB: You made those statements here in writing about the clutch chatter/mediocre CR DC07 and DC14 ranks. I don't have to produce evidence to change your mind. Believe what you want to believe in your mind. Doesn't change the facts. DC07 and DC14 are finito. Gone. Sayonara on the tin guitar. Dyson clutches on US models are gone with the wind. You can believe these dyson models are the best on the planet in dyson's reportoire. Butt even James himself would disagree with you. Unless of course he pulled them and discontinued clutch usage because they are soooooooooooooo good. Carmine D. Carmine, Oh! what a tangled web you weave when first you practice to deceive! At the end of the day... You’ve got nothin. - No proof, no ability to prove, no willingness to prove. Q: Does Dyson have a clutch chatter problem on some carpetings and/or after many years of use? A: Yes. And so what. Return it if under 30 days, fix it if worn. A: Is the chatter problem nearly as big as you claim or attempt to lead others to believe? A: No. Look around, you’re not in your store and you’re not having a private conversation with Little Miss Trusting customer. Those days are gone! DIB
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Re: The DC27 - to replace the DC07 & DC14. Say good-bye to the clutch.
Reply #82 Apr 9, 2009 7:43 pm |
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Me too. ORECK documents its direct suction air flow and revolving speed of the brush roll [based on scientific measurements] of 102 MPH and 6500 RPM. Plus, one of the largest paper bag capacities in the industry. What's your fave brand's speeds? Carmine D.
Are you saying that the brush roll spinning at 6500 RPM is creating all the suction ? Speed and RPM do not reflect power. Power is more directly related to torque. The tiny oreck motor would stall under a direct pulling force against the brush. Face it the brush doesn't suck. Well maybe it does suck like the oreck's inability to deep clean and that ain't good.
You already told us that the oreck floats on the carpet. The brush is simply moving surface dirt since it doesn't go deep to pull the dirt up.
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CarmineD
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Re: The DC27 - to replace the DC07 & DC14. Say good-bye to the clutch.
Reply #84 Apr 10, 2009 7:21 am |
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Are you saying that the brush roll spinning at 6500 RPM is creating all the suction ?
NO, revolving brush speed [6500 RPM] is separate and distinct from the air flow direct suction of 102 miles per hour.
Recall, a lightweight Electrolux Intensity upright had more suction power [by 60 percent] with a full paper bag than an empty dyson DC14, according to the facts and findings of the ASA. Carmine D.
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Re: The DC27 - to replace the DC07 & DC14. Say good-bye to the clutch.
Reply #85 Apr 10, 2009 7:30 am |
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Carmine,
Oh! what a tangled web you weave when first you practice to deceive!
At the end of the day... You’ve got nothin. - No proof, no ability to prove, no willingness to prove.
Q: Does Dyson have a clutch chatter problem on some carpetings and/or after many years of use?
A: Yes. And so what. Return it if under 30 days, fix it if worn.
A: Is the chatter problem nearly as big as you claim or attempt to lead others to believe?
A: No.
Look around, you’re not in your store and you’re not having a private conversation with Little Miss Trusting customer. Those days are gone!
DIB
DIB:
A web of the facts. Dyson clutches gone in the USA. DC07 and DC14 discontinued by dyson period. The number of refurbs for these models are sky high. Prices for them are crashing down. Consumer Reports has never rated/ranked a dyson clutch model in the top 10. Ever. Those are the facts. WRT your last statement, I quote Abraham Lincoln. You can fool some of the people some of the time. You can fool all of the people some of time. But you can't fool all the people all the time. Dyson's back is up against the wall. The trusting clutch club of women who bought into dysons originally are now onto you. Read the reviews on line. Carmine D.
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Re: The DC27 - to replace the DC07 & DC14. Say good-bye to the clutch.
Reply #86 Apr 10, 2009 7:39 am |
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DIB/Dusty: Is this a conspiracy theory: DC24 ball launched April 2008. One of dyson's latest and greatest models. [BTW, copied ORECK's lightweight upright vacuum from over 45 years ago]. Worst Consumer Reports vacuum rating/ranking of all previous dysons that are 6 plus years old and getting discontinued [for flaws and faults]. Companies are supposed to produce better products with experience, not worse. So much for ball technology. Let's see what CR says about the DC25. We know what it said about the DC15 [btw that dyson ball model is gone too]. You know what CR said too. You quoted it in regards to the DC25 as reasons for having detractors. Ball technology for vacuums isn't impressing anyone [save you and DIB]! Then song doesn't apply here: It takes two. Not enough. Carmine D.
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