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CarmineD
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Re: The DC27 - to replace the DC07 & DC14. Say good-bye to the [on some carpet types] temperamental clutch.
Reply #138 Aug 1, 2009 1:42 pm |
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Hi Ace: 3.4 stars is not too shabby for $100 bagless vacuum. This was, no longer made, a TTI sourced vacuum at the time, with the HOOVER brand. A precursor to the fact that TTI woul eventually make a bid for HOOVER when part of the Whirlpool tutelage. HS: You and your dyson brethren can't get over the fact that in 2005 the HOOVER Fusion KO'ed dyson in all the Wal*Mart stores and kept dysons out for 2 years, until James came groveling back. A $100 contender whupped a $500 supposed champ! Cream of the crap. Carmine D. |
CarmineD
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Re: The DC27 - to replace the DC07 & DC14. Say good-bye to the [on some carpet types] temperamental clutch.
Reply #140 Aug 1, 2009 4:39 pm |
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Carmine, something good much be happening with Dyson... They now aren't just letting anyone sell there vacuum's like they did before... Even I was turned down after I took a couple of year off selling them and I sold a few "600" just through my website...
Hello Ace:
You are and have always been a big supporter of all things dyson and one of the first to sell them here in the USA. If you are preempted from selling dyson now because you took a sabbatical from sales for awhile, I can't/don't see that as something good for dyson. Carmine D.
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HARDSELL
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Re: The DC27 - to replace the DC07 & DC14. Say good-bye to the [on some carpet types] temperamental clutch.
Reply #141 Aug 1, 2009 5:19 pm |
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Hi Ace: 3.4 stars is not too shabby for $100 bagless vacuum. This was, no longer made, a TTI sourced vacuum at the time, with the HOOVER brand. A precursor to the fact that TTI woul eventually make a bid for HOOVER when part of the Whirlpool tutelage. 3.4 is not as good as the $ Tempo which is 20 to 39% cheaper. Even your beloved CR did not give the Fusion a good rating. Good or bad for the price that does not make it better than the Dyson at 4 + stars regardless of where they are rated. You are beginning to wobble with pith poor excuses for failure to be the best. HS: You and your dyson brethren can't get over the fact that in 2005 the HOOVER Fusion KO'ed dyson in all the Wal*Mart stores and kept dysons out for 2 years, until James came groveling back. A $100 contender whupped a $500 supposed champ! Cream of the crap. We all know that Dyson was pulled due to pricing disagreements with WM. I have an entirely different view. The only reason that Fusion stayed was because Dyson was not in the store to take their sales. Let's recap. Although Dyson outscores Fusion you use the excuse that the Fusion costs less. Then you come back to say that the $100 vac beat out the $500 vac. Didn't happen except in your feeble mind. Dyson forced Hoover to sell out without help form WM. Damn, Dyson beat the sheet out of both them. Carmine D.
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CarmineD
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Re: The DC27 - to replace the DC07 & DC14. Say good-bye to the [on some carpet types] temperamental clutch.
Reply #142 Aug 1, 2009 7:02 pm |
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HS: The only thing dyson beat was the money out of the people who bought dysons. Like flushing $500 down the toilet. Interesting the pricing disagreement that got dyson kicked out of W*M for 2 years. In 2003, W*M had an exclusive dyson called the All Carpets with an MSRP for $359. [No clutch]. On sale W*M typically sold for $309-$319. When the exclusive contract expired, W*M starting selling the DC07 All Floors with an MSRP of $379. Not selling in 2004/5, W*M lowered the price to the $319 [the selling price of the All Carpet]. James and dyson had a hissy fit and cried like a baby. W*M having already contracted with HOOVER for a 2 year deal with HOOVER Fusion in the Spring of 2005 told Sir James to take all the unsold DC07's back with REFUNDS to W*M. James did. A boat load. James dumped them on BEST BUY stores. BB took over 4 years to get rid of them. In 2007, James grovelled to W*M and begged W*M to take dysons back in. Had to pull some management strings to get the deal done. No exclusives tho since with W*M. In fall 2008, the smaller Sam's Club, took on the DC27 as an exclusive discussed in this thread. They are selling like Jim Beam bourbon to Mormons at the Temple in Salt Lake City. 5 reviews in almost 10 months. Wow. HOOVER Fusion was one of W*M's most popular vacuum sellers of all times. Even the dyson insider/rep who used to post here, Matt mmc/Airblade, fessed up to that fact on several occasions here. Carmine D.
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HARDSELL
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Re: The DC27 - to replace the DC07 & DC14. Say good-bye to the [on some carpet types] temperamental clutch.
Reply #143 Aug 1, 2009 7:32 pm |
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HS: The only thing dyson beat was the money out of the people who bought dysons. Like flushing $500 down the toilet. Interesting the pricing disagreement that got dyson kicked out of W*M for 2 years. In 2003, W*M had an exclusive dyson called the All Carpets with an MSRP for $359. [No clutch]. On sale W*M typically sold for $309-$319. When the exclusive contract expired, W*M starting selling the DC07 All Floors with an MSRP of $379. Not selling in 2004/5, W*M lowered the price to the $319 [the selling price of the All Carpet]. James and dyson had a hissy fit and cried like a baby. W*M having already contracted with HOOVER for a 2 year deal with HOOVER Fusion in the Spring of 2005 told Sir James to take all the unsold DC07's back with REFUNDS to W*M. James did. A boat load. James dumped them on BEST BUY stores. BB took over 4 years to get rid of them. In 2007, James grovelled to W*M and begged W*M to take dysons back in. Had to pull some management strings to get the deal done. No exclusives tho since with W*M. In fall 2008, the smaller Sam's Club, took on the DC27 as an exclusive discussed in this thread. They are selling like Jim Beam bourbon to Mormons at the Temple in Salt Lake City. 5 reviews in almost 10 months. Wow. HOOVER Fusion was one of W*M's most popular vacuum sellers of all times. Even the dyson insider/rep who used to post here, Matt mmc/Airblade, fessed up to that fact on several occasions here. Carmine D.
Thanks for confessing up that you exagerated in your original statement about Fusion keeping Dyson out of WM for 2 years when the real reason was a pricing disagreement as I stated.
We already established that 5 reviews in 10 months is more positive that 8 reviews in 24 + months. We also established that Dyson beat Fusion ratings. I would expect the $119 vac to sell more units than the $300 + vac at WM. Does Timex sell more watches than Rolex? Would most of the Timex owners buy Rolex if they were the same price. It is difficult for WM shoppers to justify a $350 vac for their double wide. Mud flaps, hunting equipment and beer are more important to WM shoppers.
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retardturtle1
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Re: The DC27 - to replace the DC07 & DC14. Say good-bye to the [on some carpet types] temperamental clutch.
Reply #145 Aug 2, 2009 12:47 pm |
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Big diff HS: Both watches tell time the same but timex watches don't sell for rolex prices. Overcharging for mediocre performance [dyson] doesn't make it a better performer [than HOOVER Fusion]. Carmine D.
And lets not forget.....Takes a lick'n....keeps on Tick'n........@1/20 th the cost......same end result....they tell u the time.
Except with all the leftover money you can have alot of dinner and movie nights....with the ''other''you get to sit home and look at it..while watching a HSN dyson demo gone oh sooooo wrong. turtle1
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CarmineD
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Re: The DC27 - to replace the DC07 & DC14. Say good-bye to the [on some carpet types] temperamental clutch.
Reply #146 Aug 2, 2009 3:10 pm |
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And lets not forget.....Takes a lick'n....keeps on Tick'n........@1/20 th the cost......same end result....they tell u the time. Except with all the leftover money you can have alot of dinner and movie nights....with the ''other''you get to sit home and look at it..while watching a HSN dyson demo gone oh sooooo wrong. turtle1
For sure 'turtle1'
Duson Dave can't make the pitch that the new and improved dyson for $600 gets more of the deep down dirt and then not provide proof for the promise! People see through this as sales puffing. You can get by with a $40 swivel vac and some sales puffing like it works for 45 minutes on a charge. But for $ 6 C notes, you have to show something definite, not just car names [cam, torque] and promises. Carmine D.
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retardturtle1
Joined: May 16, 2009
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Re: The DC27 - to replace the DC07 & DC14. Say good-bye to the [on some carpet types] temperamental clutch.
Reply #147 Aug 2, 2009 5:07 pm |
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For sure 'turtle1' Duson Dave can't make the pitch that the new and improved dyson for $600 gets more of the deep down dirt and then not provide proof for the promise! People see through this as sales puffing. You can get by with a $40 swivel vac and some sales puffing like it works for 45 minutes on a charge. But for $ 6 C notes, you have to show something definite, not just car names [cam, torque] and promises. Carmine D.
Hi carmine.....just me i guess. but i thought you practiced before you went on t.v [infomercial ] so that when you went on t.v
you looked like or at least seemed as if you knew or had an idea of what you were doing....this would at least be an attempt to justify the massive price. dyson coulda learned alot from BILLY MAYES.
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