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DysonInventsBig
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The radical - Dyson, DDM DC22 to launch at VDTA. Pre-filter maintence schedule date - yr. 2016.
Original Message Mar 7, 2009 4:21 pm |
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~ The DDM DC22 (TurboHead & MotorHead) arrives in the U.S. ~
James Dyson and his team invent another revolutionary vacuum and invent another Dyson only market segment.
 - Pre-motor filter to be washed once every seven years.
- The on/off button lights red when it's time to clean pre-motor filter.
- The pre-motor filter is large and fits AROUND the motor.
 - The DDM is extremely powerful.
- The DDM can/will outlast its user.
- The DDM automatically shuts off when airflow is interrupted for more than 10 seconds.
- The Hepa filter AFTER the motor will never turn black with carbon dust and never needs attention.
- Controls are in the hose handle.
- A DC05 MotorHead-like power nozzle. Telescopic wand.
- A very cool bare floor nozzle, and very cool full sized attachments (which store on the hose).
Update... - Exclusive: Patented Dyson Digital Motor, very powerful!, unique and strong sounding. Should/could last a lifetime (your lifetime).
- Exclusive: Little or possibly no pre-filter maintenance if bin is emptied as recommended.
- Exclusive: Patented Telescopic Wand: Lightweight, plastic, very strong.
- Exclusive: Filtration - Core + Root Technology, w/ 21 high efficiency cyclones.
- Motor burn out: If airflow is cut off, if pre-filter clogs (prematurely or after many, many years of use) - motor shuts down and a signal light illuminates.
- Size: Small, DC05 - like. Compacts down via the patented TW.
- Controls: In handle, power on/off, hi/lo speeds, brush on/off.
- Retail: $799. Sold exclusively through independent Dyson dealers where the vacuum can be properly demonstrated and it’s benefits explained.
This message was modified Mar 12, 2009 by DysonInventsBig
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HARDSELL
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Re: The radical - Dyson, DDM DC22 to launch at VDTA. Pre-filter maintence schedule date - yr. 2016.
Reply #75 Mar 25, 2009 9:33 pm |
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Ha, ha, ha. What I was trying to point out is that the performance of these tested cleaners, whether Dyson and its cyclonics or Miele's plain old bags, was just about the same. Anyway . . .
Handling has taken on importance. Maybe due to the Dyson pitch regarding the "Ball" uprights, maybe not. In any event, an upright that's easy to guide around things or a canister that can be easily moved along without getting hung up on furniture or door jambs as you work ain't bad. Ease in attaching or removing cleaning tools is as much an issue as ease of emptying. All those factors may mean how often an owner takes a vacuum out of the closet.
But lest I digress -- it's still about what happens at rug level.
Venson
Venson,
My comments were directed at Clown Reports. I would not direct negative comment at a gentleman. Other than mole you are the gentleman in the crowd. And Dusty.
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CarmineD
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Re: The radical - Dyson, DDM DC22 to launch at VDTA. Pre-filter maintence schedule date - yr. 2016.
Reply #76 Mar 26, 2009 7:50 am |
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But lest I digress -- it's still about what happens at rug level.
Venson
Hi Venson:
You never did get an answer to your question about what's left in the rug after vacuuming and looking. Carmine D.
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DysonInventsBig
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Re: The radical - Dyson, DDM DC22 to launch at VDTA. Pre-filter maintence schedule date - yr. 2016.
Reply #80 Mar 26, 2009 1:34 pm |
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Hi DIB,
Miele really has no business trying to gull the public with turbo-nozzles either and it was not my intention to have it thought I was making exception in even the slightest way. I've tried Miele's turbo-nozzle and feel they are not worth the time and money.
As for demos, they don't mean much to thinking buyers. You throw a bunch of junk on top of rug and and the vacuum sucks it. That doesn't really tell the weekly vacuumer how much worked in grit and dirt "X" machine will pull out of the rug at home.
Shoppers go for what they like. There are five Dyson uprights that have recently been rated by Consumer Reports and all only get high ratings for bare floor cleaning and emissions. Ratings for carpet cleaning, pet hair removal -- save for one model -- and tool suction weren't exceptional. On the basis of that, Dyson is a machine I would not buy BUT when you read through user reviews the larger part of the owners think they're just fantastic. This also applies to several other brands that I personally see as impractical or poor performers.
This same unswayed customer solidarity prevails with Kirby, Aerus/Electrolux, Rainbow and bunch of other very highly priced vacuums. To be fair I took time to go through ratings for Dyson and Miele canisters by way of CR test for this March
MIELE
S5280 -- carpet/good; bare floor/excellent; tool airflow/very good; noise/very good; emissions/excellent; handling/good; pet hair/good (Overall score: 66)
S251 -- carpet/good; bare floor/excellent; tool airflow/good; noise/very good; emissions/excellent; handling/good; pet hair/very good (Overall score: 65)
S514 -- carpet/good; bare floor/excellent; tool airflow/very good; noise/very good; emissions/excellent; handling/good; pet hair/good (Overall score: 62)
DYSON
DC23 - carpet/good; bare floor/excellent; tool airflow/very good; noise/good; emissions/excellent; handling/fair; pet hair/very good (Overall score: 60)
DC21 - carpet/good; bare floor/excellent; tool airflow/very good; noise/good; emissions/excellent; handling/fair; pet hair/good (Overall score: 59)
There are slight differences by way of performance but from my viewpoint performance averages out to be about the same. There's nothing about Dyson, cyclones and all, that particularly sets its product apart from Miele's bagged machine. I still maintain it's all about function and not form.
Venson Venson, I “get” that you do not prefer the turbo nozzle on appliances. But there is a demand and for Dyson to enter this “demand” (however large or small) and go toe to toe with Miele (who I believe is the current market [niche] leader) is smart and good business. I would hope Dyson dealers would know who is/is not a good match for a turbo nozzle. $679 Miele’s Turbo Nozzle canister @ Miele USA online vs. $699 Dyson Turbo Nozzle canister. Hands down... the Dyson DDM DC22 is a far better technology and performing vacuum (filtering, computerized/fast/robust/super powerful/lifetime? motor and a turbo nozzle that does not slow due to [sack] suction loss) and value (no replacement sack costs and no hassle factor - purchasing bags from a dealer). DIB
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Venson
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Re: The radical - Dyson, DDM DC22 to launch at VDTA. Pre-filter maintence schedule date - yr. 2016.
Reply #81 Mar 26, 2009 2:59 pm |
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I “get” that you do not prefer the turbo nozzle on appliances. But there is a demand and for Dyson to enter this “demand” (however large or small) and go toe to toe with Miele (who I believe is the current market [niche] leader) is smart and good business. I would hope Dyson dealers would know who is/is not a good match for a turbo nozzle.<BR><BR>$679 Miele’s Turbo Nozzle canister @ Miele USA online<BR>vs.<BR>$699 Dyson Turbo Nozzle canister.
DIB
Hi DIB, I also get the gist of, "Well, everybody's doin' it," but Miele should not actually be a major for issue Dyson. Miele's pricing is high and in the real world those who spring way out of budget to acquire one have usually given it careful thought. By the way, why would Dyson be interested in "small demands" now? It's manufacturers of decent power-team canisters and uprights that sell for $400 or less that Dyson should have greater concern about. People are beginning to catch on and probably will catch on even more speedily by living in an economy challenged society. Per report of a sales rep at a local big box store, the Dysons there are being picked up by shoppers who come in with Dyson in mind. Other shoppers come in take a look at the price tags and end up leaving with far less expensive vacuums. Hands down... the Dyson DDM DC22 is a far better technology and performing vacuum (filtering, computerized/fast/robust/super powerful/lifetime? motor and a turbo nozzle that does not slow due to [sack] suction loss) and value (no replacement sack costs and no hassle factor - purchasing bags from a dealer).
DIB
That has yet to be shown. Venson
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DysonInventsBig
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Re: The radical - Dyson, DDM DC22 to launch at VDTA. Pre-filter maintence schedule date - yr. 2016.
Reply #83 Mar 26, 2009 5:11 pm |
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Hardsell, Homes with lots of hard surface area... The hard surface tool is the primary tool, the turbo tool is a secondary tool (used on area rugs or low pile). Some rugs cannot handle a powerful brushroll. Many in Europe, Japan etc. use vacuums w/ turbo brushes. Do not let the Dyson bad-mouthers distort who Dyson is... a good man. DIB
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Venson
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Re: The radical - Dyson, DDM DC22 to launch at VDTA. Pre-filter maintence schedule date - yr. 2016.
Reply #84 Mar 26, 2009 5:55 pm |
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Hardsell,
Homes with lots of hard surface area... The hard surface tool is the primary tool, the turbo tool is a secondary tool (used on area rugs or low pile). Some rugs cannot handle a powerful brushroll. Many in Europe, Japan etc. use vacuums w/ turbo brushes....
DIB
Then one of the plain old combi tools (rug/floor nozzle) should do just fine. For years, area rugs and low pile carpeting fared quite well in households where all there was was just a straight vacuum. Besides which, a vacuum with a PN only requires a speed reduction or opening a bleed valve to to lessen the problem of cleaning small or light rugs. However, due to its lower efficiency a turbo tool might be the answer as to what to clean a delicate "oriental" rug with. Have you checked out the inflated prices on turbo nozzles? A Miele turbo nozzle can go for $130. Its mini turbo tool sells for about $70. Generic tools like this sell as low as $15 to $20. Dyson is no different in that is ask about $100 for its car cleaning kit -- a small turbo-nozzle and a crevice tool. Somebody's being had. Dealers may or may not choose up camps regarding turbos tools as they don't do harm even though they do little good. As for turbo-tools in Europe and Japan, during my internet browsing over the years, electric power nozzles are not often offered with canister vacs though regular uprights are on the market. Also after having spent about four and a half years in Europe (Germany, Sweden, Holland, Denmark and beyond), seeing a canister vacuum with anything other than a straight-suction floor nozzle, usually the combination type, is my recall. For what reason the so-called power-team canister is not more common, I do not know but they do things a lot differently. I have a friend who lived in Munich whose automatic clothes washer heated the water it used. The only connection required was to the cold water line. Many homes and apartments used instant water heaters (usually gas fired) not the big tanked affairs we buy and that cost us a good amount by holding and keeping water hot when it is not needed. I would assume that for some reason no provision might somehow have something to do with some perception of better economy. Venson Venson
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