Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

1)  Nov 21, 2007 James Dyson t.v. commercial parodied on Saturday Night Live.

2)  March 17, 2009:  While many independent vacuum dealers bad-mouth, lie of and/or dismiss James Dyson and his teams contributions, many others champion the man.  Watch James Dyson in his element - in his Malmesbury Headquarters.  NBC’s “Today Show”  http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-us&vid=71fa9222-10d2-413c-bf31-0007895697ac

2)  Older video news:  I could not resist...  A Hottie car-news chick mentions the rumor of Dyson working with car makers, and Oreck gets a mention too (funny).

www.blinkx.com/video/hamann-stallion-audi-a7-fast-lane-daily-24jun08/JQ18e2m7y5hiULCgEQWSvw

CarmineD wrote:
I prefer not only to sell, but be sold  on the merits of the product I'm either showing or being shown.  If I come across someone who likes to slam other product I generally walk away and check out the other product because I wonder why they feel the need to be so negative to it. 

Dusty

mole wrote:

Hello MOLE:

You'd win that bet.  Gerry Rubin is a vacuum salesman not repairman.  My preference for a vacuum professional is one that can do it all from the backroom, to the storeroom, to the showroom.  But that's just me.  Not all in the biz are the same.

Carmine D.

dusty wrote:

Hi Dusty:

You always take the high road which is commendable.  Still, Gerry is a animated salesman who hits a human chord with most vacuum consumers today.  MIELE sells itself with/wo the Gerry's in the vacuum world.  I give him credit for his preference in vacuum brands and don't ding him for his bottoned down white shirt and out of retro style tie.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Hi DIB,

Even if he did loosen the cover the air he is measuring is not leaking out, it would be getting sucked in.  The air being measured would be exhaust air  from the hepa filter, mixed with unfiltered air and resulting in the high particle count.  If the measurement is taken at the filter, similar to how the Miele is done the count would be dramatically lower. If, as Jerry says, the air is leaking from this seal...would it not be drawing the Kapok in rather than blowing it away?

Dusty

CarmineD wrote:
Hi Carmine,

My issue with his Oreck video is where he places the particle counter. Doing a particle test at the rear vent and neck on the Oreck would be akin to doing the same thing at the neck of a Miele powerhead.  There is no way that will give a zero reading either.  Does it make the Miele a bad machine?  No, but it doesn't make the Oreck a bad machine either.

Dusty

DysonInventsBig wrote:
dusty wrote:
Hi Dusty,

Thanks for injecting common sense.

Q:  How in the heck does the intake side blow (kapok)?
A:  It doesn’t.

After I downloaded the video and played it frame by frame, here is how the con works...
1)  He tampers with and/or breaks the pre-motor seal/s.  He then places Kapoc a little above the pre-motor compartment attempting to show a leak, but instead (in 3 to 5 frames) the Kapoc is sucked towards the intake [sucking] air-leak.  He quickly...
2)  Lifts the Kapoc up and into the exhaust air-stream and releases.  That's it.

The illusion (if it can be called that) is due to the camera angle (it's a little difficult to get a depth of view).

No science here, just snake oil.


DIB

dusty wrote:

Hi Dusty:

You're right and I can't/don't disagree with you.  The issue with all comparative particle counter readings in vacuums is where to locate the nozzle for the test readings and consistency for comparison.  The best tests are done for canns, where the particle counter meter can be placed in the same location [filtered exhaust air] for comparison testing.  Even with this, you'd have to ensure both have/don't have HEPA bags and HEPA filters for equality. 

WRT ORECK, Gerry Rubin takes a reading on the unfilterered motor exhaust.  Not consistent with the MIELE meter test [filtered exhaust air].  Best place to obtain a poor air quality reading in the ORECK and best place to obtain a perfect reading for the MIELE.  But in all due respect to Gerry's demo and MIELE's air quality, choose any MIELE location for the meter reading.  You're bound to get an impressive reading.  Conversely, choose any place you want for any upright reading, and you're bound not to get a good meter reading.  A con[spiracy]?  No, the results achieved are accurate.  It's just the nature of the biz.

Carmine D.

Venson wrote:

Hi Venson:

A-B-S-O-L-U-T-E-L-Y!  

Carmine D. 

Hello Everyone,

Open fan uprights, by their design, have to have a cooling fan which is going to expell particles from the carbon brushes as they are worn away. A power nozzle has a cooling fan, too, right, albeit a tiny one? So a particle counter held at the vent slits of a running power nozzle should yield a high count as well, shouldn't it? I have not looked for the vent slits on a Miele power nozzle, but how else could the motor be kept from overheating? And if the Miele power nozzle has vent slits, then a particle counter placed there would yield a significantly higher count than just room air, right?

And on the subject of the particle counter, Jerry always takes a count of the room air. The counter does not care if the air is stagnant or tornadic, but the faster particle laden air moves past the sensor, the more particles it is going to count. Also, Jerry always tests new Mieles against used machines of whatever brand. While the particle count may be quite low on a 20yr old Miele subjected to proper maintenance, will it be absolute zero? Dunno, and until someone does precisely that and posts the results, we won't know. And isn't interesting that Jerry has not posted a video of the Miele going up against a Lindhaus, Sebo, Emer, or Bosch? But then he only wants you to consider machines he knows he can prove to be inferior to the Miele.

The Dyson vid? The emptying of the container, and and explanation of the expense of having a belt/clutch assembly replaced should have been sufficient. But IF he was going to tamper with the outcome, as least he should have reshot the vid so it wasn't detectable.

Trebor

dusty wrote:
Hey Dude, listen to over 35 years worth of experience in the business.Who are we to tell the customer how much to spend,whats good ,whats junk, hepa this filtrete that,on board tools here ,crush proof hose here wire reinforced smooth bore there,

Do you want to know what draws the most attention in our stores, A 1942 XXX electrolux, And a filter queen from 1978, Ones has a shake out cloth bag, the other uses a conical filter cone B.T.W the filter queen will suck a new riccar, miele,bosch, or any state of the art machine inside of it.And it real quiet also,

B.T.W. Venson, im starting back up my Kirby collection again,just for kicks, should see the look on customers faces when i have 20 plus kirbys on the floor in an aerus branch...........

MOLE