Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

1)  Nov 21, 2007 James Dyson t.v. commercial parodied on Saturday Night Live.

2)  March 17, 2009:  While many independent vacuum dealers bad-mouth, lie of and/or dismiss James Dyson and his teams contributions, many others champion the man.  Watch James Dyson in his element - in his Malmesbury Headquarters.  NBC’s “Today Show”  http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-us&vid=71fa9222-10d2-413c-bf31-0007895697ac

2)  Older video news:  I could not resist...  A Hottie car-news chick mentions the rumor of Dyson working with car makers, and Oreck gets a mention too (funny).

www.blinkx.com/video/hamann-stallion-audi-a7-fast-lane-daily-24jun08/JQ18e2m7y5hiULCgEQWSvw

I've uploaded a Kenmore Premalite tv commercial here.  Any comments?        DIB

Hi DIB,

Thanks for the Premalite commercial.  It's still in the plan to get one but postponed until more necessary things are seen to.  I did come across one disgruntled buyer's thoughts at epinions.com.  The complaint was that despite Premalite's good hose suction it was it did not produce the same when used as an upright.  This of course was interesting to me because the issue was somethng I'm not much aware of the average user taking note of.

I wondered at it but remembered that it was just about the same with a Royal Powercast I once purchased for someone. It's tool suction was terrific but delivery at the floor end turned out to be far less.  I tested this by turning off the brushroll and setting the cleaner on a large plastic bag.  The seal was easy to break indicating that the level of suction at the floor was nowhere near the same as that available via the hose.  I'd also note that I noticed no indication of a significant air leakage around the cover of its suction port for tools when closed.  Nonetheless, I'd match the Powercast's rug cleaning ability with any good machine out there.  It did a marvelous job on wall-to-wall that had been carelessly tended to by my friend's household helper.

Thinking on it further, I began to wonder if this may not have been part of the design scheme.  With a decently fashioned brushroll you really don't need tremendous suction to clean carpets well though high suction may aid in accomplishing thorough carpet cleaning faster.  I'd also assume that an intended suction bleed might allow the cleaner to be easier to push in general and easier to handle on throw rugs and small area rugs.  Great performer that it is, the Kirby G5 I also have presents a problem when going over small, light rugs.

Anyway . . . I'll get to see for myself soon.  Thanks again and all the best for the holidays.

Best,

Venson

Disney / Pixar    "Wall-E"         Here    Here

DysonInventsBig wrote:

I saw this during the super bowl.. :)

Dyson DC24 and others shown.  Here and DC24-Slow Motion.        DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Great videos, thanks for sharing.  The DC24 appears to be the best out of the lot as far as the vacuums covered on that segment are concerned.  I've seen the Intensity in person and it appeared to be very cheaply made; I also know someone who had one at one point and they didn't care for it either, one of the plastic segments in the baseplate broke off somehow.  The Kenmore canister isn't bad, I'd say that was second best.  I always thought they were a bit big, but they've always been good performers and a decent value.

And there's the WindTunnel bagless canister that has been mentioned here many times.  I had never seen one out of the box until now and had no idea now big it was, though I never thought it would have been this big.  What a monstrosity.  I bet that oddly-shaped dirt cup with the nasty bin filter is a mess to empty on top of that.  Hope whoever has one of those has a large trashcan...

-MH

Motorhead wrote: You are welcome.        DIB

Silver winner of the Dyson Design Challenge interviewed on CanadaAM: http://www.ctv.ca/canadaam  > video link “Micha Wallace invented Braking devise”.  This video looks like it is about ready to be rotated off the video play roster.  Try also the video’s direct link if found (below).  It opened and played in my Windows Media Player.

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http://esi.ctv.ca/datafeed/urlgen2.aspx?vid=45316

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More of the awards linked below…

http://www.jamesdysonfoundation.com/jda/winner2008.asp

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91221-1312250,00.html

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DIB.

James Dyson at a press junket (presumably) for the DC24/25 launch.  http://video.yahoo.com/network/100000023?v=2353824&l=3442554

Dyson guys:  Since locating, linking videos and posting here are at times time consuming, let me know if you want me to continue posting videos.  I'd hate to be wasting my time.  Thanks.        DIB

DIB

Thanks for the video link on Dyson...liking the DC24!

DC18

DC18 wrote:
You're welcome.  I am glad I found this one.  It does seem James is getting less press than in the past launches.  But the DC24 and 25 are not totally new as was the DC15, did you notice this too?        DIB

Yes the DC24 and DC25 are not new in terms of the ball technology unlike when the DC15 was launched.  Although Dyson is plugging them as something new!!

James Dyson and his 2008 Innovation/Design Competition winners on Good Morning America.       

Nice video and report.  Thanks DIB.  Seems like prima facie evidence that James Dyson wants the ball technology to be his legacy for vacuums.  I have to wonder over that after the DC15 fizzled.  But who knows?  Maybe the second time is a charm?  I can't say I was overly impressed by the DC18, DC24/25 all of which are spinoffs of the original ball.  Too much bulk added to the vacuums' form and function. 

I'm impressed with the design/three wheels on the Dirt Devil Kruz which works marvelously to make the 8 pound stick vacuum feel weightless.  But the 3 wheels probably weigh 3 -6 ounces and fit in the palm of my hand with room to spare.  Of course, the draw back is it doesn't work on carpets just hardwood barefloors.

Carmine D.

Nice video and report.  Thanks DIB. 

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You’re welcome.

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Seems like prima facie evidence that James Dyson wants the ball technology to be his legacy for vacuums.

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It is one of many innovations.  The Ball is more or less a needed innovation and simply demonstrating it is easy to understand and advertise.  Dyson carved out another category all to himself…  our vacuums can turn and  pivot on a dime and our competitors don’t.

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I have to wonder over that after the DC15 fizzled.  But who knows?  Maybe the second time is a charm? 

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The DC15 in my mind was a very expensive proof of concept.  He proved people were indeed interested.  But weight and cost was not to be overcome it seems.  Although I love my DC15 and would recommend it (to men) over all other Dyson’s.

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I can't say I was overly impressed by the DC18, DC24/25 all of which are spinoffs of the original ball.  Too much bulk added to the vacuums' form and function. 

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Bulk?  Compared to what other turning vacuum?  You must remember, you’ve been using one of the lightest vacuums and using it presumably for a long time.  Pound for pound the Ball vacuums simply out maneuver all others.

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I'm impressed with the design/three wheels on the Dirt Devil Kruz which works marvelously to make the 8 pound stick vacuum feel weightless.  But the 3 wheels probably weigh 3 -6 ounces and fit in the palm of my hand with room to spare.  Of course, the draw back is it doesn't work on carpets just hardwood barefloors.

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It is just a twist on older products, it may work fine, but it’s just a twist.  This vacuum manufacturing field needs an inventive shot in the arm, don’t you think?  I find putting castors on a triangle boring and uninventive.  I have film of a Hoover Model “O” (or alike) using castors.  It indeed may move easy enough, but any competitor can feely copy it.  My potted floor plant sits on a triangular frame with castors.  Does Dirt Devil owe a bit of gratitude to my potted plant?   Just kiddin.        DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hello DIB:

I prefer the lightweight upright vacuums without on-board attachments for daily use: Like the Oreck and RICCAR/Simplicity.  The dyson ball wheel with its twisting and turning doesn't do anything for my cleaning needs.  I like the ease of getting the Oreck under furniture and beds.  The dysons can't go there with the ball wheels.  Hence the on-board attachments.  Also added bulk and weight for my daily vacuuming needs.

If you haven't used the Kruz, you can't appreciate its maneuvering on hard floors.  With the triangular floor nozzle, the Kruz virtually goes into the tightest and hard to reach areas with no hand/wrist weight.  [Like bathrooms behind the toilet and between the vanity cabinets and walls].  And cleans right up against the floorboards. 

Just like the HSN users, several women tried it in my house including my daughter and Wife.  They absolutely fall in love with it's ease of handling.  It has shortcomings but not loving to use it is not one.   Dirt Devil uses the same wheel design on the Kruz as it does on the Power and Easy glide uprights.  Inexpensive and simple.  And works effectively. 

There is a very real concept called over engineering.  Some like it.  Some don't.  I'm in the latter.

Carmine D.

Interesting video link DIB!  That DC24 is getting alot of coverage!

DC18,

It is always nice to get a response, I can count on yours.  Thanks.        DIB

Airblade,

Can you tell us how successful the DC18 was and if its success encouraged James to finance, develop and release more turning/pivoting Ball vacuums?  Thanks!        DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Hey DIB,
I'm fairly certain that the DC24/25 vacs were in development before the DC18's success could be measured.  The majority of consumers that tried the DC15 thought that the idea was spectacular, but it was heavy..........there was always a plan to 'slim' it down.

Last I checked, DC18 was the #2 selling sku for Dyson, behind the DC17 Animal.

Airblade wrote:

Hello Matt:

Are you talking units sold, or dollars?  I'm not familiar with "sku."

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Both units and dollars

SKU is short for stock-keeping unit.  It is a very common retail acronym.  According to Wikipedia, a sku is a unique identifyer (usually a number) for each of the distinct products and services that can be ordered from a supplier.

DC18 would be the model and DC18 All Floors would be the sku.

Thanks, Matt. 

Carmine D.

Airblade wrote:

Airblade.

Thank you for your response.  I was not at all expecting the 2 most expensive non-Ball uprights to be 1 and 2 in SKU’s.  With their MSRP’s of $500 and $479… amazing!  Well, it seems Dyson’s 2 biggest spenders/consumers are those who want 1) Dyson’s best - in what is believed to be best in suction and/or filtering.  And 2) Dyson’s best in maneuverability and weight, even if a little suction and filtering is sacrificed to keep the weight down.  A woman I know said she had a Dyson.  I asked which one?  She said, I do not know but I told my husband to by the best Dyson.  She described the vacuum and it was the DC17.

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James’ latest offerings have a singular "strong" look – the yellow (color for now) Ball line.  Am I to assume the DC25 is to replace the DC18?  James looks to be purposely creating a bold/uniformed signature look with the DC24/25 Ball’s.  These Ball vacuums sitting at retail are screaming “Look at me, I’m different – try me out and see if I can maneuver as good as James claims.”  I love the very simple yet ingenious DC18 ball design.  I’m curious, was launching the DC18 for the purpose of getting a quick to engineer/get in the publics hands so to finally prove a turning/pivoting market and to get feedback for the next Ball version?  To me, the DC25’s primary benefit for the user over the DC18 is the 20 extra airwatts.  The DC25's benefit for Dyson is it allows Dyson to advertise and claim the DC25’s suction is as good as full sized cousins.  My guess is the 200 airwatts of the DC18 could be a bit of a sticking point for consumers.

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Thanks again.        DIB

DIB wrote:

"Airblade.

Thank you for your response.  I was not at all expecting the 2 most expensive non-Ball uprights to be 1 and 2 in SKU’s [DC17 and 18].  With their MSRP’s of $500 and $479…"

Hello DIB:

Most big box retailers are discounting the DC17 and DC18 dyson models from MSRP.  But they don't advertise the prices. 

For example, we recently emailed about dysons not being on sale during several back to back Kohl's sales.  I noted that 2 Kohl's stores in N. Las Vegas have marked down the DC17 and DC18 models to $409 and $369 respectively.  Of course, they can't advertise the sale prices else be in violation of dyson MAP.  I don't know how long they have been discounted at these prices.  I recall also that K-mart and BEST BUY stores are selling these models, unadvertised of course, for comparable prices to Kohl's.  My sense is the lower prices account for the sales popularity too.

Carmine D.

Dyson vacuums are made in Malaysia.  Packaging for the DC21 and DC24 are pictured below.

James Dyson video interview on Fox News - 12/2007

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB:

12/2008?  Are you going back to the future?

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

1.21 gigawatts can do that sometimes. :)  I was in a rush,  it never pays to be rushed.        DIB

ArkansasMatters.com (consumer-styled report on vacuums) video.

Here > http://arkansasmatters.com/media_player.php?media_id=32761

Dyson targets Japanese vacuums that use the method of picking/knocking loose filter debris [to clean claim] in this DC22 commercial.        DIB

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Dyson Japanese DC22 commercial.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-Bt949Xfw4

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Hitachi vacuum commercial shows a vibrating filter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlkRN74whHc

Thanks DIB - I love the Japanese adverts; they're a world apart from the rest of the world, with their wizzy sounds and animations!

I noticed this clip showing the DC12 (plus) being powered up :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMqmibqVC-g&feature=related

Damn, the DDM sounds winey in use! I understand it has two power settings for this reason. Dyson sure have a challange if they want to improve on that.

Moose,

You’re welcome.  Yes, the DDM sounds a bit loud on camera, hopefully it is not too loud in person.  My Japanese neighbor tells me quiet appliances are needed for Japan’s small apartments with their rice paper partitioned rooms.  Below are some DC12 links.  If you like the Japanese adverts, perhaps you'll be amused watching the DC12 in-mall demonstrators (funny stuff).  Enjoy.        DIB

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v--Uo53zlno

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-cbAAhuvGE

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http://www.press.dyson.com/uk/release_details.asp?id=32&placement=PRESS&gid=11

5/5/08 - Jay Palmer of Barron’s Online, “loves Dyson’s latest vacuum cleaner (the DC24)…”

Video:  http://online.barrons.com/public/page/8_0007.html

 2008 Las Vegas Vacuum Dealers Trade Association trade show video.

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1494779145?bctid=1472306858

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Thanks DIB:

Couple of observations: 

IRobot stole the show with the lead feature of its products.  Interesting that the iRobot rep made the same comment I did recently here: It complements a household full sized vacuum. 

Nice commentary on the importance of brushroll design, form, and function in the performance of the vacuum's operations.  Think dyson fans believe it!  I know one in particular who still doesn't despite years of proof to the contrary.  Including dyson phasing out [read discontinuing] the DC07/14 in the USA in part due to the brush rolls which perform poorly on kapok pick-up.  An industry standard test for rug demo-s.

Nice demo on SEBO Felix, despite the cornball vacuum jokes.

Only a passing glimpse of the dysons and didn't appear to be any new stuff, just the same old.

Not many persons in attendance based on this short clip. 

Carmine D.

Kyle K. on CBS "Assignment America."   Watch video.

I posted this for all the doubting Thomases.  Here's a new Oreck XL upright with a 3 year warranty and free shipping for $199.  Carmine D. $199 Oreck XL® Classic, now thru 5/28. Shop Online or call 1-800-289-5888
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Order online or call 1-800-289-5888 to place an order 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Share this great offer! Forward to a friend today. Having trouble viewing this email? View this email on our website. Are your Oreck emails getting caught in a spam filter? Learn how to ensure you receive Oreck emails. Offer valid through 5/28/08. Free Shipping applies to Standard Shipping only within the continental US. (Does not apply to Express Shipping.) There is a $25.00 additional charge for delivery to Alaska and Hawaii, a $50.00 additional charge for delivery to Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands, and a $75.00 additional charge for delivery to Guam. We don't want to send you any unwanted mail. If you'd like to be removed from this mailing list, click here. Oreck Privacy Policy © 2008 Oreck Holdings, LLC. All rights reserved. All trademarks and product configurations are owned and used under the authorization of Oreck Holdings, LLC. Oreck Corporation, 1400 Salem Road, Cookeville, TN 38506

CarmineD wrote:
Thanks.  Now all can understand why hotel rooms are so dirty.

What are you talking about it cleans great for 5 or 6 rooms................then oh-oh,the belts broken,and then the room smells like someone did a burnout in it..............

MOLE

mole wrote:
Funny.        DIB

Thanks.  Now all can understand why hotel rooms are so dirty.  HARDSELL

HARDSELL:

After the umpteenth time here, your Oreck material is losing its comical appeal. 

I like Mole's characterization the best.  He used it once on this Forum and once on another [if I recall correctly]: He calls Oreck: A hokey on a stick.  I love it!

Carmine D.

Hi Carmine,the phrase is motorized hoky,I heard that one from a hoover rep in the early 80's.......

MOLE

mole wrote:

Hi Mole:

Thank you.  I love it!  HOOVER is the source of many of the vacuum industry's terms and vernacular.

Carmine D.

I would LOVE to have the stats on how many people respond to that ad who actually walk out of the store with the $199 model vs another more costly version!

Me thinks this is a classic advertising/marketing bait and switch....

Hello Lucky1:

It's an on-line order, good for one day.  Free shipping.  $199 for the upright with a 3 year warranty.  I'm considering buying another as a gift for someone. 

I bought 4 in the last year of the same model from a mailed offer to me.   $150 each, plus shipping and taxes, with a one year warranty. 

It do happen despite the doubters.

Carmine D.

And the oreck owned stores can advertise this also at 199.00,some evem give bags away with the machine,

MOLE

mole wrote:

Hi Mole:

I posted the Oreck website.  If you look at the top, Oreck has the Memorial Day Special for $199 advertised in a banner.  The offer I posted came to me by email.  My sense is that a customer can go to an Oreck owned store with the ad in hand and buy from the store for $199 and get the bags free with the purchase.  Maybe an extra belt or two? 

http://www.oreck.com/oreck-xl-upright/index.cfm 

Carmine D.

I wasn't doubting the offer wasn't true. If a savvy consumer (similar to yourself) with a sense of purpose wanted that version I'm quite sure it could be had. BUT I'm also quite sure a customer who went to the Oreck shop for that specific deal, (with less vacuum knowledge), would walk out with ANOTHER, PRICIER machine.

Lucky1 wrote:
Just go along carrying $200 in cold, hard cash and wave it around saying "This is what I have to spend on a vacuum!"

M00seUK wrote:

"...and if you try to sell me anything else, I'm walkin."  But most cannot or do not do this.

Lucky1 wrote:

Hello Lucky1:

I was not directing to you.  It was meant for both HARDSELL and Tom Gasko who recently posted back to back here with their incredulousness over my purchase of a new Oreck XL upright for $150 plus shipping.  Not that I fault them for being suspicious and wanting proof.  I am a firm believer in the famous Reagan saying: Trust but verify.  When I encounter doubting Thomases, I like to provide verification.  This email offer and Oreck web site ad provided an excellent opportunity to assuage their doubts.

Carmine D.

 <  Here is 2nd of 2 Dyson DC24 commercials that I've seen aired thus far.

Thanks Ace for heads up on this ad.        DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Yes, that's the one... What do you mean by 2 of 2?

Carmine, once again your Depends are full.  Tom Gasko does not post on Abbysguide, and after speaking to him recently he said he couldn't care less.  It was me (not Tom) who was incredulous that you were able to purchase an XL for $150 plus shipping, $100 more than they're worth.

-MH

Acerone wrote:

This is the latest ad or the second t.v. commercial of the DC24 I've seen thus far, I simply ID'd it by calling it 2of2.        DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

I see thanks for posting it...

Motorhead wrote:

Hi again Tom:

What it is full of............. depends.  You'll full of Tom Gasko.  Or as friends of yours say:  Tom XXXXXXX!  With friends like these who needs........................and you can fill in the rest.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,  Please verify were I doubted that you bought and Oreck for $150.   The local papers were full of adds last week for $150 Orecks.  I doubt that many were sold.  You know the old bait and switch upgrade game.  My bet is that most left the store with one of those $50 XL21's that sell for almost $800

Hello HARDSELL:

Not only are you a little late [repetitive] to the discussion but your memory is failing too.  

My point in posting: An Oreck XL Classic upright can be purchased without the giveaways for $150-$199 with/wo free shipping and a 1-3 year warranty.  You and Tom Gasko posted that Oreck didn't do such a deal/I had to have an "in" [buddy deal were Tom's words] with Oreck/sales people to get a deal like I did. 

Heck of a deal.  $199, free shipping, 3 year warranty.   

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

As usual you are misquoting what  I really said in an attempt to show your brilliance.   I simply and honestly stated that the Oreck store where I went refused to sell the vacuum sans the free gifts.

I already stated that the local papers were full of $150 Oreck ads last week.  If the vac is available and you pay $199 the shipping is not free.  Looka like you are as gullible as the rest for Ol Dave's BS freebies.

Hello HARDSELL:

Good to know that your memory is s-l-o-w-l-y coming back again.  My brilliance however must have impaired your reading skills.  So I quoted the Oreck ad here:

Offer valid through 5/28/08. Free Shipping applies to Standard Shipping only within the continental US. (Does not apply to Express Shipping.) There is a $25.00 additional charge for delivery to Alaska and Hawaii, a $50.00 additional charge for delivery to Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands, and a $75.00 additional charge for delivery to Guam.

Continental doesn't mean European breakfast here.  It means contiguous.  

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

I did not read any fine print because I had no intention of paying $150 or more for an electric broom.

Hello HARDSELL:

  You can't read.  Your memory is bad.  What am I going to do with you?  I don't know whether I should pity you and/or adopt you.  Not much of a choice. 

Carmine D. 

CarmineD wrote:

Keep on day dreaming or show proof.

HARDSELL wrote:

What good to provide proof?  First you deny it.  Then you don't read it.  Then you argur about it.  You're wasting time.

Tell me why dyson wants people to touch their toes to wrap a cord on the DC24 but writes in his autobiography that he doesn't want users bending down to fiddle with controls?  What's the difference?  Down is down. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Tell me why I have to get on my knees to turn off the brush roll on my Royal.  Why do I have to disassemble my Kirby to use the hose.  Why doesn't Oreck add a hose so the user does not have to dig out the 2nd vac then store an additional vacuum.  BTW, I hear reports that the little vac has a very small bag that has to be replaced too frequently.  A friend has one and it barely picks up dust off her wood floor.

I never noticed the Dyson cord being any more difficult to wrap than any other. I wonder why you wise guys did not mention that you do have to bend double to turn off the brush roll on the Dyson.  Disregarding that it is still mucheasier to use than an Oreck (I guess I mean two Orecks).  Is it any wonder the hotels never vacuum the baseboards or any other item requiring a hose.

HARDSELL:

Follow me here.  DC24 not DC07.  Have to bend down and touch your toes to wrap the cord.  Despite Mr. Dyson's pledge in his autobiography spouted here by all the dyson fans like you that dyson users will never have to bend over to fiddle with controls.  How do you and they reconcile the glaring contradiction?  Simple question.  Anyone have an answer relevant and worthy to post? 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

James states in his autobiography that he decided against adding a cord winder to the DC01 upright since they could be unreliable.

Based on a off-forum discussion with DIB and to answer claims that Dyson copied 'the ball' invention from somebody else, I'd like to share a short video clip showing the development process of this feature on the DC15 :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pPlYR6Hql8

M00seUK wrote:

Hello M00seUK:

I think he doesn't because its one more thing to go wrong.  More and more big box store vacuums have cord winders.  Even inexpensive models like the HOOVER Elite Rewind: $100, which is 3 years old now.  I mentioned my HOOVER cann for $50 has a cordwinder.  No problems with it.  It's a small vacuum and having the cord stowed away is wonderful for using and storing.

Now, you still haven't answered my question.  How do you and other dyson fans reconcile the statement in Mr. Dyson's autobiography with the gawdawful cord wraps on the DC24?  No bending over to fiddle with controls is the dyson mantra.  What happend on the DC24 bottom cord wrap?

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
I presume Dyson's stance on the cord winder issue is if someone has a problem with wrapping the cord on the upright, they can look to purchase one of their canisters instead.

How does the cord wrap work on the DC24? I've only looked at it briefly in store. Is it different to the other Dyson uprights?

M00seUK wrote:

Hello M00seUK:

I use an upright for my daily use.  The HOOVER cann is a weekly and as needed user for above the floor and attachment cleaning.  A canister vacuum as a dialy user is not in my future.  Too much work and weight to pull out and use.  Too much effort when the upright is so convenient.

The bottom cord wrap on the DC24 [supposedly dyson's lightweight ball] is about 2 inches off the floor.  Worse possible location for people most likely interested in buying and using a lightweight upright.  Back problems, like me.  If I have to bend over and touch my toes every time I wrap the cord on a vacuum, I ain't buying it.

I have mentioned in the past and worth repeating here again.  One reason my dear WIfe and I loved the RICCAR upright and now the ORECK is the easy and high off the floor cord wraps.  

Carmine D.

M00seUK wrote:

Hello M00seUK:

It's entirely probable and possibly for two or more individuals to invent the same/similar things independent of each other and unknown to each other.  History has proven this time and time again with inventions, medical and scientific break throughs.  In the USA and overseas at the same time.  It's becoming less likely now because of the advancement in technology and instantaneous sharing of information.  Usually resulting in collaboration among people in professions.  In the case of dyson's ball technology, maybe not so likely with a student and business man.  But who knows? Maybe not so unlikely for Mr. Dyson to have known about the Kenneth J patent but remain silent until Kenneth J came forward. 

From my way of viewing, and probably most others who are not diehard dyson fans, it is quite natural and understandable to side with Kenneth J, the engineering student, who patented his version some 10 years before dyson.  Why?  For the very reason DIB cites so often for dyson against other vacuum makers.  Americans and I trust most others like and root for the underdog.  In this case, Kenneth J. not James D.

Carmine D.

M00seUK wrote:

Hi Moose,

Thank you converting and uploading this video.  I was somewhat disappointed with it's short duration, is there more of this Dyson video you can share?  If you post more (longer clip) can you bump up the quality too.  Many here have broadband and viewing hq video is no problem for us (or post 2 clips low and hi).  Thanks again.        DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Moose, I failed to mention (above)...  It was great seeing some inside Dyson stuff and great seeing the fella who transformed the very old method and standard of - straight line pushing/pulling of an upright.        DIB

CarmineD wrote:

Hello Carmine,

I think it's unconceivable that Dyson *didn't* investigate the validity of Kenneth J's patent during the course of developing their own invention. Indeed, patent filings often reference similar, pre-existing patents for the purpose of describing why their invention is different.

Dyson would be very foolhardy to have committed several millions pounds of R&D spend, testing, tooling and marketing - only to risk withdrawal of the product due to legal action.

What do you think Dyson should have done? Offered Kenneth J. a token amount for his patent or licensed it as a goodwill gesture? That would have set a dangerous legal / financial precedent. If he didn't have the foresight to word the patent correctly or Dyson have been ingenious enough to design around pre-existing methods then they can hardly be accused of using underhand techniques.

What had Kenneth J. been doing for the previous 10 years to bring his invention to market? Why hadn't anyone else licensed it from him during that time?

If the patent in question *had* been watertight, what's the odds that one of Dyson's competitors would have brought it, not to develop it in to an actual product (their shareholders wouldn't want the risk / expense), but to 'put it on the shelf' like Hoover UK admitted they would have done with the Dyson dual cyclone patent back in the day, to prevent anyone else using it against them. Is this the net benefit to the people, 'supporting the underdog' in this example??

DysonInventsBig wrote:
It's taken from a shop training DVD given out at DC15 launch. There's other video clips, but that's all there is with regards to the development.

M00seUK wrote:

No problem.  If there is anything of other interest to us Dyson guys, please post too.  Thanks.        DIB

M00seUK wrote:

Hello M00seUK:

Thank you for the repsonse and your thoughts.  I can understand HOOVER's point of view with regard to the bagless.  As a proponent of bagged and not bagless, bagless are a fad and will eventually fizzle out except on hand/stick vacuums and inexpensive big box store brands.  Perhaps that is the reason in part HOOVER UK wanted it shelved.  And not the pernicious self-serving reasons that most dyson fans ascribe to HOOVER.

While the pretense of not buying bags is enticing to most initially, the side effects of more frequent dumping of the dirt bin than bag replacement is more and more mentioned by bagless users as a major drawback.  Add to this, the obvious health risks and associated hazards to the air in your home by having all this ilk [that is well contained and isolated in a bag] up close and personal to the bagless vacuum user.  And constantly in the dirt bin and bin components.  Then throw in the high costs of pre-post motor filters and labor intensive filter maintenace.  What are you left with?  A one-two-three punch combination for likely fading of the bagless fad especially in high priced full sized vacuums.

I don't fault HOOVER UK at all for wanting to shelf the dual cyclone.  That would have been my recommendation too except, as I said, for hand and stick vacuums and inexpensive vacuums sold in the big box stores.

Carmine D. 

Indeed. Hoover UK's position was that they (and others) were happy with their bagged vaccums and the continual revenue it brought in, for little investment. The bagless vacuum can be seen as a disruptive technology, one they were keen to avoid. Unless someone can perfect a bagless dumping method that is as clean and easy as a bagged, I think we'll have both types on the market for sometime yet.

CarmineD wrote:

Are you sayin that it is permissable to use a stick vac or a cheapo although they (according ot you) could be  hazardous to one's health?

Typical for a hypocrite.

HARDSELL wrote:

Hello HARDSELL:

No hypocrisy here.  Good business and common sense.  Hand held and stick vacuums have considerably smaller dirt bin capacities and scope of uses than full sized vacuums.  These are also more conducive to in-home dumping than the large full sized bagless vacuums.  Therefore the dirt/health risks posed with these vacuums are minimized [not eliminated] compared to their full sized counterparts.  Also, with the smaller dirt capacity, replacing bags is more expensive relative to the costs of these specialty vacuums vice their full size counterparts.

With the less expensive store brand vacuum makes, buyers who pay $50-$75-$100 for a vacuum won't pay $15-$20 for a year's supply of bags.  It makes business sense to offer these in bagless mode.

Carmine D.  

M00seUK wrote:

Hello M00seUK:

Having been a part of the vacuum industry since the 50's, the bagless fad is regressing to the time when dirt containment was primarily in cloth bags that required dumping and cleaning.  Probably the single most significant improvement to the vacuum industry in the 50's was the advent of replacement paper bags which, save Kirby and commercial model vacuums, made cloth bags obsolete by the 60's.  Dirt bins are nothing more than a plastic version of cloth bags with the added user expense of high priced pre-and post motor filters.

Like HOOVER UK, I would have argued vehemently to shelf the use of dirt bins for full sized vacuums based solely on my knowledge and experience in the vacuum industry.  Money from the sales of bags is irrelevant to the decision.  There is just as much revenue if not more generated in bagless vacuum filters as paper bags.  It's a moot point for the decision by HOOVER to want to shelve dirt bins.

Two of the first full size canister brands that were bagless, Lewyt and Filter Queen, made the switch to paper in the late 40's and 50's and FQ still today.  For the very reasons I previously stated. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

I for one draw comfort knowing, that at times, good ideas, ideas that are good for people and economies, are not controlled nor suppressed by *liars and thieves.        DIB

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*Hoover UK was dertermined in court of stealing James' Dual Technologies and lying about it.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hello DIB:

I sure wish you would tell us where you took the courses in reading peoples' minds and hearts.  You speak with such authoritative proof on the motives of dyson's competitors.  I'm impressed.

My sense is that you would say based on your ability to read minds/hearts that the consistent fall off in dyson vacuum market share in the UK since 2004 is most likely the result of a huge secret conspiracy on the part of the liars and thieves in the vacuum industry.  It certainly cannot be due to the pure and pristine business motives of dyson and its vacuum products. 

I recall when the vacuum makers in mass made the conversion to paper bags an industry standard.  Noone nowhere argued it was due to the profit motive arising from the potential sale of paper bags.  Never heard.  Why? Was it a huge conspiracy on the part of vacuum makers to force this technology on the unsuspecting vacuum buying public?  If so, why did cloth and paper coexist for many many years by vacuum makers on their models before the final cloth good bye?  Profit was not the motive for moving to paper bags then just as it isn't for the aversion to bagless now.  It's all made up in your minds.  Bagged and bagless coexist, at least for now.  Just as cloth and paper did back then.

What drives the vacuum industry and its major companies, like all industry, is providing what works the best for the best price to the buying public.  Using that as the industry standard and guide, then the profits will naturally follow. 

In over 100 years of vacuum industry history, the only liars and thieves that I am aware were the CEO and CFO of Regina in the 80's.  They were both caught, admitted their guilt, and punished.  To my knowledge they have never held a financial/management position/job since due in large part to their sullied reputation.  High price to pay for a few extra bucks.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,

My money is on the findings of the court with regards to Dyson v. Hoover UK.  Good luck with the business of defending thieves and re-writing their history.        DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hello DIB:

Keep your money in your pocket.  But if you would, please post the excerpt from the court's decision that uses the verbage "liars and thieves" with respect to HOOVER UK in the suit brought by dyson.  I'm sure all would be interested to read/know exactly how and why you authoritatively arrived at your conclusion.   

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Hoover UK were just some good oi’ boy's out havin a little fun (at Dyson’s expense), is that about right Carmine?

CarmineD wrote: I'm sure all would be interested to read/know exactly how and why you authoritatively arrived at your conclusion. 

Please!  Would anyone outside of Carmine like to belly up with their reputations and side with the innocence of Hoover UK and how they denied their theft of Dyson technologies?        DIB

Dyson UK Website has some new TV Ads\Videos, see link below:

http://www.dyson.co.uk/about/ads/

DC18

Looks like we have our ads up on Dyson US

http://www.dyson.com/about/ads/

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hello DIB:

Just as "should" means "must" to you when applying to BISSELL, it means "maybe/maybe not" to you when applying to dyson.  Where one stands ofentimes depends on where one sits.

I didn't condone HOOVER UK's actions.  The court decision was correct and it levied a hefty fine and penalty on HOOVER UK, as it should.  But the decision did not use the words you did to describe HOOVER UK's actions.  

Carmine D.

Acerone wrote:

Hello Acerone:

I saw either the DC24/DC25 TV ad.  I'm not sure which it was.   I'm very surprised that dyson doesn't use a home setting with a person using the vacuum.  Just the stand alone vacuum [not sure which one it is?] on a dull background with some sales pitching.  And no price.  Not going to win any advertising awards from my perspective.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,

Does it offend you that I call a corporate giant who steals a one time backyard inventor’s widgets, thieves and liars?  You’re on a crusade of one, suggesting Hoover UK did not thieve James’s proprietary technology, nor did Hoover take the opportunity to lie and/or distort in court.  I myself and I believe others too, do not seek or need your approval on this matter.        DIB

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P.S.  James Dyson gave his sworn testimony detailing how he invented his dual cyclone.  Hoover did not produce not one inventor, not one engineer, not one designer who could explain how they “invented” or worked on or worked thru the process of “inventing” the HTV (Hoover Triple Vortex).  Hoover was not all that truthful (IMO).  The Judge wanted to know why there was not someone from Hoover explaining/telling their side of the engineering story.

Hello DIB:

Your words which you spin and manipulate for purposes of insinuation do not offend me.  They only serve to prove what I said:  Where one stands, depends oftentimes on where one sits.

You should address here on any dyson thread you like, not the age old HOOVER-dyson lawsuit which is ancient history now, but the fall off in dyson new vacuum market share every year in the UK since 2004.  What do you have to say about this trend?  Why has it happened?  It's significant.  From a high of over 40 percent to under 30 percent in 2007. 

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hello DIB:

That's a sudden change from 'liars and thieves.'

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,

Manipulate?  That would fall under your where you stand mantra.

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I quit asking myself why you go after Dyson long ago.  Me responding (the above post) is nothing more than practice, trying to persuade you is not my objective.  I am quite aware of the indexing process and the potential for many others to view my and these others posts and potential for many years to come.  If the topics become uninteresting or too repetitive I will post less.

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You start the topic (with me and others) but no guessing.  Get something concrete and post.        DIB

CarmineD wrote:

Come to think of it, I tend to believe it was the DC24.  Why?  The bottom cord wrap is so close to the ground in the TV ad.  But very hard to make out.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

I made my point.  I do have a family to think of.        DIB

Hello DIB:

Good people do bad things.  Bad people do good things.  Remember the "Good Thief" on Mt. Calvary!  Made a Saint on the spot and entered into the Kingdom of God!

Carmine D.

Dyson fans,

James Dyson and his (then new) DC15 were profiled on a show called Beyond Tomorrow.  It is the best interview and profile I have seen of James.  This show has been airing on and off for the last week.        DIB

 

http://science.discovery.com/tv-schedules/series.html?paid=48.15051.117100.1010.3

 

Discovery Channel > Beyond Tomorrow, episode #16, my DVR reads this show as: “Tools to clean the house.”

Hello DIB:

The DC15 is and was a big time flop for dyson.  The DC24/25 is a desperate attempt to restore his good name.   

From the starting gate the DC15 was fraught with problems.  The least of which was Kenneth J.  Thru several and most retailers including BEST BUY the DC15 is claimed the worse selling dyson.  Certainly the poorest rated dyson by Consumer Reports always more than half way down the list of models tested.  At the current $400 retail [before discounts], dyson should be as ashamed as an inventor and vacuum cleaner man.  As much so as the dead DC11.  No wonder Dyson is so quick to defend failure.  He has alot of experience with the latter.  

The DC11 and DC15 aren't even desirable as collectibles among the most ardent vacuum enthusiasts.  They are best served as recycled materials for the junk heap.

Carmine D.

Carmine,

The DC15 as a full sized vacuum missed the mark for many (size and weight).  In terms of getting the public's interest the DC15 proved the concept and separated itself from the pack.  Yes, there was a learning curve as to what is a practicable weight for a turning pivoting vacuum cleaner.  The Slim looks to be a full blown money making success.  An example of its popularity - HSN reportedly sold 7000 units as a “Today Special” in a 12 hour period (I think it was Dec of 2007).  The Slim is loved big time at review sites and pages too.        DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Too bad dyson came out with the DC24/25.  The DC18 is now on the chopping block at most big box retailers.  Less than 2 years old.  Dyson shot himself in the foot on this one.  He upstaged a supposed best selling sku [the DC18] by making it obsolete before its time.  Why?  To restore his tarnished image with the DC15 by rushing to market the DC24/25.  Not very bright.  Especially in the current economic times. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Dyson improves and moves on.  Hoover just introduced the same sheet and renamed it.  Hoover sunk.

HARDSELL wrote:

Hello HARDSELL:

What improvements do you see with the newer dyson models after the ones you used/sold-returned?  Be specific. 

If you want to focus on one model like the DC15, DC17, DC18, DC24, DC25 fine.  Or all the models.  If you want to focus on the canisters, like the DC20, 21, 22, then please do. 

I'm curious to hear what you think about the improvements of latest and greatest dyson vacuums.  

Carmine D.

A 24 year old Dyson Poduct Design award winner gets hired by James - story and video.

http://www.3news.co.nz/Video/CampbellLive/tabid/367/articleID/58132/Default.aspx#video

DysonInventsBig wrote:

But does he/she know anything about vacuums and their history? 

Carmine D.

I suspect the fella in question is working as part of Dyson's 'blue sky' team. As the name might suggest, these people are tasked with discovering new ways of solving problems using the latest technology and scientific knowhow. Generally speaking, nothing is too radical.

Efficient product development is achieved by a mix of people. Ideas people, specialist area people (engineers, scientists) ...and project managers to keep development on track and to keep anyone else from distracting the individuals!

Hello M00seUK:

Thanks for the insight on the 'blue sky' team.

Not mentioned on the ORECK thread and perhaps relevant now here [somewhat] is the ORECK approach to soliciting consumer input and feedback.  Maybe other brands have the same practice.  Like dyson?  I know in August 2006 when I e-mail messaged dyson about the DC07 pink it was through the standard consumer link.  Not a special form designed for the purpose of getting user feedback and suggestions for improvements. 

If you have a suggestion for the making the ORECK vacuum better [are you reading this DIB], you can go to the ORECK web site and download/complete on-line a special form to do so.  I have a change/two to suggest and will probably do so very soon.  When you do complete, you waive all your own rights and assign to ORECK for future usage.  I will, despite the transfer of rights and claims.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

First it was Hoover on every Dyson topic.  Now we get Oreck on every Dyson topic.  All this BS from one who consistently wants us to stay on topic.

Since that can't happen I will offer a suggestion for Oreck.  Get a  belt that will not deteriate while sitting on the show room as a demo unit.  That should not rase the price more than $100.

CarmineD wrote:

Lets see if I have this correct…  The multi-millionaire sets up a collector or “free idea generator site” and if he uses a  non-patentable suggestion in his business, the individual behind this money making suggestion/s gets… exactly nothing.  What a great guy.        DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hello DIB:

Not really that unusual.  Companies are constanlty asking employees and consumers for feed back, suggestions, and input without giving monetary reward for doing so.

You have free will.  If you want to provide a useful suggestion, you can.  If not, you don't.  Your and my call.

I have a few suggestions that I think will benefit the ORECK vacuum and its users.  If they are used, fine.  If not, that's fine too.  I don't want anything for it whether or not they are used.  I'm a consumer.  Not an employee.  Benefitting the users and buyers is my objective.  How do you assign a dollar price to what that is worth?

If dyson offered the same, you'd hail him as a maverick business.  Saying that he uses 360 degree feedback to motivate buyers and users to advance his product line.  ORECK does it, and you're ready to call him a ...................[fill in the blank].  Like I say, where you stand depends on where you sit.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

If Dyson did it you would have the same opinion as DIB has about Oreck.  .

Like I say:  You have optical rectal disease.

HARDSELL wrote:

HARDSELL:

I don't want to have the same opinion about dyson/ORECK that DIB and you share.  You are so dyson blinded that you can't see the obvious in front of your nose.  Dyson and bagless vacuums, save specialty vacuums, are fading fast from consumer demand.  In the UK [already on a steep decline] and the USA.  Talk to vacuum industry professionals.  The honey moon is over for dyson. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Check the stores. Very few bagged vacuums are on the shelves.  You have said the same thing about Dyson for about three years.  You sem to forget that you predicted that Hoover would stay and Dyson would go.  Hoover failed.  Since you lost you have been converted to Oreck.  Better save that Kapok and make a life preserver.  You are sinking.

HARDSELL wrote:

Hello HARDSELL:

I have and here's the story.  Bagged are the vacuums of choice for the independent vacuum stores.  Bagless are the vacuums of choice for the big box retailers.  Although there is a resurgence of bagged vacuums at all the big box retailers.  Especially the EUREKA Boss Smart vac upright.  More pervasive in all the big box stores now than one year ago. 

With regard to your dyson sales, talk to store sales people about the decline in new dyson vacuum sales.  I'm told that dysons are sitting longer and longer unsold.  Fewer consumers looking and showing interest.  Even less buying.  I'm told that the stores can't keep all the different models stocked and shelved.  Too expensive to have the dyson models sitting unsold.  If there is a dyson buyer,  he/she is confused and conflicted with all the different models.  They don't know which to buy and why?  Especially when plunking down $500.  They're fearful of buying the wrong dyson and paying too much for it. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

I sarcastically called him a great guy.  Anything other than that would make you a mind and heart reader.  

Carmine, I am on your side, if you would relax for a minute…  You’ve got 50 years or so in the vacuum business and understanding (weather I agree or not is not important).  If you have a strong idea and it gets used, then you have every right to ask for some money based on it being used.  You can ask for - money for you, for a donation to your favorite charity or a mix (some to you and some to a charity).  Why not?        DIB

Hello DIB:

My charitable contribution is to benefit the product and the users at no personal monetary gain.

Carmine D.

On the UK Dyson Website they have a section where you can email then for a specific reason or just a general one.  I have emailed Dyson in the past with suggestions on improvements in certain areas on certain Dyson machines I have used.  I have always got a reply back thanking me for the input and suggestions and that it would be passed onto the Engineers for future reference.

Dyson does like customer feedback from customers who use their products.

DC18

Hello DC18:

Thank you.  Dyson did the same with me here in the USA.  Emailed back quickly and said it would pass my recommendations/suggestions to engineers for future consideration [height adjustment for carpets]. 

Despite the critical comments on the shortcomings of the HELPLINE support and inherent design weaknesses of the DC07 pink with respect to its difficulty in use over my carpets, the dyson email was very gracious. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Naturally the indepenents push bagged.  How else could the continue to sell accessories after the vacuum sell.  You have always been a proponent of an annual tune up.  All this isn't necessary with a Dyson.

As for the decline in Dyson sales.  Most consumers have recently confined spending to only the necessities.  Not much left after froceries and gas.

Regardless of brand the local big box stores have not replaced bagless with bagged in any store that I have visited.  I do understand that that is probably not true in LV ( or any palace that you may reside ).  I realize that you have probably convinced all to convert by now.  Careful though.  Remember how Dyson already made a clown out of you.

One thing I have noticed in the last year or so... The dealers who started when I started are no longer in business or don't carry the full "Dyson" line anymore. Most of us got out of the Dyson business for same reason.

Acerone wrote:

What brands do you sell and what reason are you referring to about Dyson?

HARDSELL wrote:

Hello HARDSELL:

We finally agree regardless of the reasons.  We can argue the specifics butas you say new dyson sales are off in 2007 and 2008.  Gas will probably go to $6-$8 a gallon at the current price of $140 for a barrel of crude oil.  Food prices will follow the upward trend too.  Why?  Inflation has reared its ugly head according to Ben Bernanke at the Federal Reserve.  No more interest rate cuts this year to stimulate the recession.  Dysons sit on store shelves unsold.  Retailers are cutting their losses and culling dysons off the shelves to make room for other merchadise and make money.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

That is what I have been saying.  You try to twist it so everyone thinks that it is due to poor performance.

HARDSELL wrote:

It's both HARDSELL: Fair to middlin performance at the highest vacuum prices and consumers' cutting back.  Put the two together and dyson goes to the mat with a one-two knock out punch. 

You're living proof of it.  A former dyson buyer and user.  Rave over it.  Won't buy another dyson now.  Returned the one you did buy because you were unhappy with it.  Went with a $299 Royal Eminence instead.  BAGGED no less!  Talk about doing the twist!

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

I am a former owner of many, many brands of products.  Only you have said that I would not buy another Dyson.  I only said that I would never buy another Hoover or Oreck.

Pay attention.

HOOVER is a best seller and ORECK has the lightweight and hotel motel market locked down.  They aren't depending on you.  Dyson is.  With supposedly 9-10 percent of the vacuum market in units, you let them down.  Bought a bagged Royal for $299 and sold off your DC07.  Nice twist. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

And Dyson is not depending on you.  Final time.  I will buy another Dyson. At my convenience.

The fact that you use an Oreck as opposed to Hoover (which you sold) speaks how much you lied to past customers.

HARDSELL wrote:

Hello HARDSELL:  You'll own another dyson if and when someone gives you one. You won't buy a new one.  Not after selling the DC07 several years into using it; buying and returning a new dyson DC14 and then buying and now owning a Royal Eminence for $299 [bagged] instead.  You're letting dyson down.  Won't get a new one that way.

HOOVER WT and ORECK XL uprights are tops in their class and very affordable.  I recommend both for rug/carpet cleaning.  The only caveat for ORECK is on very high shag carpeting.  Better to buy a HOOVER/ brand model with a rug height adjustment.  That leaves your free brand out too.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Hi Carmine D

Good to see you passed on suggestions to Dyson.  

DC18 

CarmineD wrote:

Too bad that Dyson outclasses them.

What about those years of selling hoover and telling customers that they were better than Oreck/   Is there any dout that you have no credibility?

HARDSELL wrote:

Hello HARDSELL:

I was a HOOVER, EUREKA, and Panasonic warranty dealer concurrently.  And Westinghouse for a brief period in the late 50's.  I sold all rebuilts including ORECK.  Repaired all makes, including ORECK.  I mentioned before that ORECK customers were among the most pleased with them and rarely ever were ORECK-s traded in.  Even to the door to door vacuum sellers like Air-Way, Kirby, and Electrolux. 

My dear Wife was the force behind buying the ORECK.  She always liked it and wanted one.  So I bought one, used it, and was so impressed I bought 3 more and gifted them to family and friends.  I use my ORECK daily.  Won't use any other on my rugs and floors.  ORECK is a worthy brand, good preformer, and a decent price.  Plus its made in the USA by Americans.  Win-win.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Pure genius.  A pro for 40 years who did not know the virtues of an Oreck.  Did your wife also pick out the Explorer?

HARDSELL:

I recall you sold a Dodge Charger 40 years ago and then a dyson recently although you regret both actions and are kicking yourself for doing so.

How did you know my dear Wife is a genius.  That's why she married me.  She picked the Ford Escape, not Explorer. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
I would like to pose a question to the DYSONITES,

Why do you feel that DYSON has revised their filter cleaning schedule,

1 could it be that the new level3,system is not as good as the old roots system.

2 could the brush roll change in the newer dc series machines really picked up the cleaning effectiveness,and the filtration system cant keep up with it/

3 or the dyson engineers are now thinking about going bagged.

4 or it was just bull$hit from the beginning.

your replys are welcome...........

MOLE

mole wrote:

# 4.  I am of course referring to you and Carmine about the bullsheet.

We already know that Dyson put you and Carmine in a pinch therefore all the hate.

HARDSELL wrote:

HARDSELL:

The only bull dunk on this site comes from you and other dyson fans spewing untrue claims about how great dyson art.  And it's flowing like mud now that the myth and lies are uncovered.  No hate here for dyson from MOLE and I.   Just the plain and simple facts about it. 

You rave and rant about the dyson brand for over 3 years.  What do you do?  Sell the DC07 that was gifted to you.  Using the funds to buy a DC14 from SEARS, one of your least favorite retailers, and then return the DC14 to get your money back. 

Wait, you haven't even gotten started yet.  It gets better!  What do you do then?  Go to an indy vacuum store [that you constantly criticize here for not selling dysons] and buy a bagged Royal Eminence for $299.    After all this, what do you have to say?  Well I don't really like the Royal, its not as good as a dyson.  I can kick myself every day when I use the Royal.  I miss my dyson.  Like selling my Dodge Charger 40 years ago.  Always me.  Poor me.  I called the dealer and he won't give me a deal to buy another dyson and trade my Royal.  See, I bought  a new set of golf clubs for $2000 and a lawnmower.  So my credit is maxed out.  I have to wait awhile.  BTW, was that a bagged/bagless lawnmower?

What should we conclude from all this?  A word comes to mind.  Your word.  Hint: Look up!

Carmine D.

M00seUK wrote:

Moose,

You were correct, this designer works as part of the "Blue Sky" team.  Story here.        DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB:

Sorry to rain on your Stephen in blue sky wonderland parade but it begs the question:  What does a 24 year old vest designer know about vacuums?  What does he know about the vacuum industry?  What qualifies him to work on designing and making vacuums better? 

Is dyson so desperate to get his failed bagless filtration back on track that he's groping for straws as he's sinking in the quick sand?  12 of these whiz kids to improve the dyson.  A swat team of designers?  What does this say about the 500 dyson engineers?  It's laughable. 

First, the $500 DC15 gets madeover into the DC25 and now the DC25 will get madeover and relaunched as the DC35 with a new price tag of $700.  Why?  Surprise surprise.  It eradicates dust mites.  Ohhh my!!!  But wait.  Isn't there a another $500 vacuum on the market that isn't selling well that already claims the same?  Yes, I think there is.  It's called the halo.  Of course.  The halo.  Only problem is that multiple scientific research and studies show conclusively that all brushroll vacuums kill dust mites.  Really?  Next? 

Oh lest I forget.  Dyson never loses suction!  And its steerable and pivoting.  Just what we need.  A portable 12 pound vacuum that you steer and pivot around the house like you are on an obstacle course of cleaning.  Oh my!  What will the king of vacuum innovation with his 500 engineers and task force of 12 designers think of next?  Wait.  I got it!  A robotic vacuum!  Yes, a robotic vacuum.  OK, coffee break time.  For you underage dyson whiz kids, milk will be served.  Warm in a bottle.  Imperial pint size. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine, It seems as if you did not have a bowelmovement today.  Your are still FOS and lies as usual.

You have no idea which retailers I like or dislike.  I bought a new mower at Sears two weeks ago.

I have already explained that I went to the indy to test the water.  I now know positively that the big boxes are just as good when you want the best (Dyson).

I said that I kick myself every day for selling the Hemi, not the Royal.  Please pay attention (if you can afford it).

I pay cash for all purchases.  Not filthy rich but very comfortable financially.  I likely have more $ invested i my home theater than you have in all your home furnishings.  I did spend over $1000 for vacuums last year (paid in cash).  You could only affore the $150 Oreck.

Since you are spouting about loyalty you should have stayed with Hoover.  Talk about a traitor to your bread and butter.  Of course you did not know any better until your wife told you that the Hoover was inferior.

If your brain was in a humming bird he would suck a horse rear thinking that it was a morning glory.

Now get back on your meds before they put that strait jacket back on you.

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,

So what you’re saying is...  You like James and his non-conformist ways.        DIB

CarmineD wrote:
Which also begs the question...could he really do any worse than the supposed "vacuum guys" working with any of the big manufacturers at the moment.  With some of the junk that has come down the line from Eureka, Hoover, Dirt Devil and Panasonic of late I think somebody fresh and not set in the old school ways wouldn't be a bad idea for any company.

Dusty

"Working at Dyson"

dusty wrote:
Your point would be valid if dyson was a 79,95 vacuum cleaner.Imagine that 512 people on the payroll to make mistake after mistake after mistake.I wonder how many are working in the marketing department over 1000?

We know that Gasko is the minister of propaganda, Maybe Jimmy will have to move him over to another department soon,maybe in charge of janitorial duties, Or maybe he could be the E-BAY police,seeking out those evil indys that sell the piece of junk online for cost.[ITS STILL OVERPRICED]

YOU GUYS ARE STILL THE LEADERS IN THE COLORS DEPARTMENT,

B.T.W. when are they going to fix the hoses from breaking off its a huge aftermarket all to its self,I cant personally give dyson credit for that he does not make his own parts[like real manufactures],

BYE BYE SIR JIMMY, why dont you get back into the laundry business again, you failure,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

mole

HARDSELL:

You're bogged down in your own dyson dunk.  Same old same old from you.  Can't afford another dyson and won't even look at the new dysons to respond to the questions and criticisms by MOLE and I who pose them here. 

Go back to school.  Start from the beginning.  Grade school.  You missed the lessons on thinking for yourself and expressing your own opinions based on facts and information.  You're stuck in the follow the leader mode.  But you lost your leader [dyson] and now wondering aimlessly and hopelessly.   

Carmine D

DIB:

I'm not impressed.  Recall dyson hires house wives who know nothing about vacuums to be dyson tech reps.  The big box retailers fault dyson on this all the time.  The reps don't know the dyson product line let alone the competition.  They get their training on the job from the big box store staffs.  Like Stephen and the other whiz kids.

Carmine D.

dusty wrote:

Yes, Dusty in fact they can do worse.  And do.  It's called dyson.  It has taken decades for the big box store vacuums to deteriorate in quality [not performance]. 

Dyson degrades performance yearly with each new model launch.  For $500 plus you get a ball wheel but have to do monthly filter cleaning and a smaller dirt containment capacity.  If you forego the ball, you get one of the older soon to be discontinued models.  Do these need filter cleanings regularly?  Yes, they most certainly do.  But dyson won't admit it.  And most bought into the myth that dyson's filters don't clog.  Solution: Scrub the models. Solves the dyson dilemma.  Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Your wife had to show you that Oreck is beter than Hoover that you pushed all those years.  I think that Dyson does know more than you.

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,  I have heard this same speech form you for years.  Once again, you praised Hoover for years and criticized Dyson.  Dysojn is alive and well.  Hoover failed.

Your track record is not so good.

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine you know why DYSOON hires no nothing reps,because the indys told them to take a hike 4 years ago.

Good for the smart indys, of course the dyson parts business is good to get into.

CAN YOU SAY OVERPRICED JUNK...................

MOLE

mole wrote:
My point was simply that any industry, be it vacuums, appliances, tv's etc, can always use a fresh set of thoughts and it's good to get away from the "this is how we've done it in the past, this is how we'll do it now" mentality.

Dusty

CarmineD wrote:
Performance has dropped to.  You can't tell me the Eureka Capture is a better cleaner than the Bravo (bless it's snapping fan) was of years past.  Same would apply to most of the hoover product, a Convertible or Elite will easily out clean todays Fold Away.  Price has gotten better, quality and performance have taken the hit.

Dusty

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,

How long does it take to get an understanding of how a vacuum cleaner works? – More than 5 minutes or less than 5 minutes (based on the Oreck)?

 

Both you and Mole believe Dyson has 500 or more engineers and scientists working on vacuum cleaners, all the while you two know full well James talks of projects outside of vacuums.  And we have discussed on this forum many times of Dyson’s many patents and patent pendings unrelated to vacuum cleaners. – Deliberate distortion and credibility problem?

1. Tell us, do these non-vacuum patents and patent pendings engineer themselves?
2. Tell us, how many engineers and scientists does James have working on vacuum cleaner related projects? 
3. Tell us, how many engineers and scientists does James have working outside of vacuums?
4. Tell us, is James focused on inventing only products for himself or is he in the business of being a future licensor too?

DIB