Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Dyson is in the news frequently and so a dedicated thread.

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The finer the material being filtered the faster any filter will lose its effectiveness. That includes Dyson. As the cyclone starts up and winds down, in other words when the centrifugal force is insufficient for the particles being spun to acquire sufficient mass to be spun out of the airstream, particles are deposited on the filter. The more times a Dyson is turned on and off the sooner the cyclonic action is impaired. It is quite easy to sell a Kirby in a home where a Dyson and carpet fresh is are used regularly.

There is no question that the filtrete bags sustain cleaning power much longer than the paper bags with the melt blown liner. Any slight improvement over this offered by the Dyson cyclonic action is minimal, and the user still has to take it outside to open it to dump the dirt, and even if it is held inside a garbage bag when it is emptied, a certain amount of dust inevitably escapes. The point of HEPA filtration is to AVOID contact with the collected pollutants, which no bagless does. How about disposable bagless containers, like that cheap imitation tupperware in the stores? They could be made super cheap, filter and all, just toss them away and put another one on!

Trebor wrote:

Ha ha! That thought has crossed my mind too! It makes bagged cleaners look like the sensible option after all.

Hoover UK had an upright called the 'Cyclean', which was a 'Vortex'/'Whirlwind'/'Hurricane' look-a-likey. It had the option of accepting 'Hoover' polythene bags! These bags had draw-strings, similar to the polybags in which ladies' make-up removal, cottonwool b-a-l-l-s are sometimes sold.

http://www1.dealtime.co.uk/xPF-Hoover-Hoover-CC3505-Cyclean-Twin-Hepa-Upright-Vacuum-Cleaner

(click on 'Read more' for further info.)

Trebor wrote:

There is no question that the filtrete bags sustain cleaning power much longer than the paper bags with the melt blown liner. Any slight improvement over this offered by the Dyson cyclonic action is minimal, and the user still has to take it outside to open it to dump the dirt, and even if it is held inside a garbage bag when it is emptied, a certain amount of dust inevitably escapes. The point of HEPA filtration is to AVOID contact with the collected pollutants, which no bagless does. How about disposable bagless containers, like that cheap imitation tupperware in the stores? They could be made super cheap, filter and all, just toss them away and put another one on!

Agreed that emptying bagless is not the most pleasant task.  Changing bags is no more pleasant.  Especially on the Kirby.  I can understand how a few may be bothered by the omission of dirt when emptying a bagless due to health reasons.  That same dirt is in the home prior to vacuuming and breathed daily until removed.  Use HEPA all you want but what about the dirt that is being blown around and not going into the bag.  This has to happen on front exhausted vacuums.  I can smell dust without seeing it. This is especially true when vacuuming on hard surfaces.  Hell, my Royal almost blows the curtains off the wall when it gets within 5 feet of them.

It is apparent that you are as Dyson as Carmine.  Fiund the perfect vacuum and rep[ort to us.

 

mole wrote:

My DC07 filter did not need replacing after 3 years.  Can't say that about pleated filters though.

Decicions Decisions. Does one sacrifice cleaning power to avoid a replacement filter or get the ultiimate Dyson cleaning power and buy a filter occasionally?

You are right about the sucker HYPE.  Seems to spew like dirt from those with the most to gain from bashing Dyson.

Trilobite wrote:
Oh gawd - is this forum filtering that B-word??

Trebor wrote:
If it wasn't so serious I would find it ludicrous that an independent would sell a customer something that he knew would require annual repair or maintenance costs.

M00seUK wrote:

Yes, and it is a pain in the bahookey!

HARDSELL wrote:

Hey HARDSELL:

You have to do the former, dirt bin dumping, much more frequently and as often as daily.  The latter, bag replacement, every month or longer.  Add periodic filter maintenance/replacement for those lifetime filters too in dysons.  Dah!  That's Trebor's point.  Of course, you have to be able to read and comprehend to understand it.  Fortunately for the illiterate, dyson provides 2 huge pages of illustrations to show users the proper way to dump a dirt bin so as not to get more dirt back in your face than in the trash.

I'm sure if any vacuum were named for you other than a dyson we would have to hear ad nauseam about your fondness for a DC07, which BTW you proudly sold after 3 years to buy a bagged Royal Emminence. 

Now tell us why dyson sales have tanked in the UK and world wide if they are as good as you would like us to believe!  Better yet, don't bother.  Here's an answer even you can understand with no mental exercise.  Users sell dysons after a few years, if they're lucky enough, and use the proceeds to buy bagged vacuums instead.  Dah!   

Carmine D.

Hardsell,

You still have not answered the question about bags made of Fitrete material holding much more dirt while losing very little suction when compared to regular bags. That was the major advantage Dyson had. Please tell me why would someone buy a Dyson NOW, over a bagged vaccum with filtrete bags. What are the advantages, besides not having to buy bags and filters?

Trebor wrote:
From my experience it's not the "no loss of suction" that sells Dysons it's simply the fact you don't buy bags or filters.  I had a customer today that chose a DC25 over a Riccar for that very reason.  I think that until the price of Filtrete bags drop substantially, Dyson will always have a market for their product....that and the fact that men think they're cool looking and for some reason have no problem spending bigger dollars on Dysons than they do anything else.  To this date, we've yet to sell a Dyson handvac to a woman....all male customers.

Dusty