Dyson dumb. Bit off his nose to spite his face [read: ego]. After the US, Japan is probably dyson's most lucrative market. Spin this story anyway you want, but the bottom line is this: No other consumer market is more loyal to its heritage than the Japanese. Dyson just lost the Japanese market. Mark my words.
Carmine D.
Hello Carmine,
You're entitled to your opinion, as always, but I disagree with you on this point.
No one was more surprised than Dyson that they have become established in the Japanese market in the face of strong domestic competition, in such a short time. Their product's small size, high technology and attention to detail have made them a top seller. In their marketing they proudly state their vacs are 'Designed in the UK' - presumably because the fact that it's foreign product appeals to a lot of people buying the machines.
I'm not dismissing the prospect that the Samsung patent case *could* have a negative impact on sales. But clearly, a competitor having a machine which infringes on their patents and in a stroke, removes all the hard work and expense that's gone in to giving it this USP shouldn't be tolerated either.
If this case *was* to get any publicity in Japan, I'd like to think that Japanese people are clear minded enough to see it's a simple business resolution that went to court and happened to be awarded in favour of Dyson.
My prediction: Nothing major will come of this, mark my words.
No product. No threat. No loss. Ego, pure and simple. Dyson's done in Japan. Close shop. Pack up. Go home. The party's over.
If you like and would, please post dyson sales for Japan before the lawsuit. And we'll track here over time to see the impact. If you would?
BTW, fans of dyson and APPLE like to compare the two companies and products in their industries. For example, both have products that are high-end discretionary purchases. James and Jobs as CEO's are singularly identified with their companies. Both are overly protective of their patents, logos etc. Both loathe Wal*Mart stores and speak disparagingly about them and the customers who shop at them. Nevertheless they sacrifice their elitist attitudes, for the sake of profit, and sell their wares in W*M stores. APPLE the leader in its industry is currently valued below its two largest rivals Hewlett-Packard and Dell. Even with Jobs absent, APPLE stock should trade above its two peers and it's not. APPLE has an unbeatable brand name in technology and a diversified product line up [sound familiar]. What has APPLE done most recently: Realizing that its high end products [read: luxury consumer goods] are susceptible and vulnerable to a nasty recession, APPLE has broadened its range to include lower price points. Big box stores already are discounting dysons way below MAP and offering buyer incentives too. How long will dyson take to follow suit [that's follow suit not file suit and no pun intended].
Dyson and you called this one wrong.
Carmine D.
This message was modified Jan 22, 2009 by CarmineD
No product. No threat. No loss. Ego, pure and simple. Dyson's done in Japan. Close shop. Pack up. Go home. The party's over.
If you like and would, please post dyson sales for Japan before the lawsuit. And we'll track here over time to see the impact. If you would?
BTW, fans of dyson and APPLE like to compare the two companies and products in their industries. For example, both have products that are high-end discretionary purchases. James and Jobs as CEO's are singularly identified with their companies. Both are overly protective of their patents, logos etc. Both loathe Wal*Mart stores and speak disparagingly about them and the customers who shop at them. Nevertheless they sacrifice their elitist attitudes, for the sake of profit, and sell their wares in W*M stores. APPLE the leader in its industry is currently valued below its two largest rivals Hewlett-Packard and Dell. Even with Jobs absent, APPLE stock should trade above its two peers and it's not. APPLE has an unbeatable brand name in technology and a diversified product line up [sound familiar]. What has APPLE done most recently: Realizing that its high end products [read: luxury consumer goods] are susceptible and vulnerable to a nasty recession, APPLE has broadened its range to include lower price points. Big box stores already are discounting dysons way below MAP and offering buyer incentives too. How long will dyson take to follow suit [that's follow suit not file suit and no pun intended].
Thanks DIB for the clarification. But who said anything about country! Heritage: Origins by birthright. Korea: A former country in East Asia, on a penisula SE of Manchuria and between the Sea of Japan and the Yellow Sea: a kingdom prior to 1910 and under Japanese rule 1910-1945. Both peoples, Korean and Japanese, share the common bonds of Altaic language and Asian race.
Sony [Japan] and Samsung [Korea] are the electronics leaders of the world. Why? Heritage!
Watched the inauguration? Did you see the exuberant celebrations of the peoples in Africa. Why? Heritage!
PS: Heritage transcends borders, governments and oceans.
Carmine D.
This message was modified Jan 23, 2009 by CarmineD
Although hopefully not widespread, business operating in the countries of the far east have somewhat of a reputation for unethical practices. Bear witness to the Chinese baby milk scandal in the news this week, which caused sickness in 300,000 infants and the deaths of six. I think the last thing we should be doing is going easy on businesses that try to push their luck in taking short cuts to profit...
Firstly, dyson presumes that all copy right infringements are deliberate and wiifull wrongdoings by others against it whether they are or not. Samsung? Really? I don't believe it. Innocent oversight and mistake? Most probably. That would be my opinion. What was the heinous effect of this? Anyone die? Anyone get sick? Any loss of money? Any lose of vacuum market share? No. Just, ego.
Secondly, based on historical record no other human race IMHO metes out justice more sternly for wrongdoings [business/human] than Asians. Not with litigiousity. It's not their nature as it is with Americans. Their loyalty to heritage is such that bringing shame upon oneself and one's family in the eyes of others, whether in business or life, may cause ending his/her own life as penance. That's not my perception of going easy.
Carmine D.
This message was modified Jan 23, 2009 by CarmineD
Although hopefully not widespread, business operating in the countries of the far east have somewhat of a reputation for unethical practices. Bear witness to the Chinese baby milk scandal in the news this week, which caused sickness in 300,000 infants and the deaths of six. I think the last thing we should be doing is going easy on businesses that try to push their luck in taking short cuts to profit...
Hi M00seUK,
Carmine and I have already voted in favor of a neck-tie party. Not meaning to be humorous about it,I'll add that I read recently that at least one participant has been sentenced to death due the scandal. It is not my wish that participants in pure sin even of this degree have their heads lopped off. What would be satisfying is that company's and persons involved in these stupid schemes be made to make some kind of restitution -- though there is no restitution for for the dead or mamed.
Every government is dirty. It comes down to just how much and who gets caught and who gets away with it. Japan’s Government is dirty for sure! I recently watched the Hillary Clinton Secretary of State conformation hearings. A Senator from the East Coast asked for help in dealing with the Japanese government. The Senator spoke of a manufacturer in her state that manufacturers large printing presses. She said a Japanese manufacturer was “dumping” their printing presses here in America. The American manufacturer had to go to court to complain of unfair trade practices which they won. The Japanese government retaliated against this American manufacture and they (can’t remember exactly) change laws or simply did what it took to help their manufacturer acquire and take all assets/Japanese assets that belong to this American manufacture. The senator complained that our current administration has done nothing to help her manufacturer and she was asking Hillary Clinton if or when she becomes Secretary of State if she would help her with this matter.
Carmen, Your loathing of Mr. Dyson is getting the best of you. Most would side with the David’s when they come up against Goliath’s, but not you.
