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DC18


Dyson, Sebo and Bissell user

Joined: Jul 25, 2007
Points: 294

The New Dyson DC27 Upright!
Original Message   Jan 6, 2009 5:45 pm
Having another topic mentioned some new vax machines on a Littlewoods website, I had a look around to see what else might be new and came across the 'new' Dyson DC27 Upright, see link below:

http://www.littlewoods.com/rf/s.do?Np=1&Ns=&Ntk=littlewoods_search&Ntt=dyson&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Nty=1&Nu=this_product&pageSize=12&Nao=0&cmEvent=page_navigation

They have 2 Models on their website 'Animal' and 'All Floors', first look suggests an update version of the US DC17 but for the UK\Europe markets.  This will be the replacement for the popular DC14.  I thought a separate motor for the brush bar like the DC17 would have been standard, but looks like it uses the DC04\DC07\DC14 clutch setup!   Not sure as the website doesn't say if it just has a slim root cyclone technology or the core is included!   It does look like it has more small cyclones than the current DC14 and DC15 and DC25 models.  See picture of DC27 All Floors model below!  DC18

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Trilobite


Joined: Nov 7, 2007
Points: 121

Re: The New Dyson DC27 Upright!
Reply #60   Jan 16, 2009 8:48 pm
DC18 wrote:
Only difference between these 2 models in the UK is one has the clutch setup to turn the brush bar off the another is a standard motor driven brush bar direct from the motor using a standard rubber belt!  The cyclone and filter setup is the same! Both don't have HEPA filters, as it mentions there is HEPA models available (Allergy and Animal). 

DC18


That is the clue: a constantly rotating brush, especially on hard floors, can flick particles and allergens out of the airstream.

Who has used an upright with a constantly turning brush, and noticed grit, sand, or peanuts flicked out by the agitator?

DC18


Dyson, Sebo and Bissell user

Joined: Jul 25, 2007
Points: 294

Re: The New Dyson DC27 Upright!
Reply #61   Jan 20, 2009 6:20 pm
UK Catalogue High Street chain Argos has the DC27 models on their website with some technical information on this new model:

1300 watt motor

255 air watts measured through the hose

Hose length 3.73m (catalogue says 16ft hose)

2.3 Litre dust bin

Available from February 2009

Interesting to see the motor wattage is lower than the out going DC14 and the air watts to! 

DC18

Model2


~ It Beats...as it Sweeps...as it Cleans ~

Location: England
Joined: Jan 8, 2009
Points: 155

Re: The New Dyson DC27 Upright!
Reply #62   Jan 20, 2009 6:31 pm
Trilobite wrote:

Who has used an upright with a constantly turning brush, and noticed grit, sand, or peanuts flicked out by the agitator?



Trilobite - are you vacuuming an elephant house!? And if it doesn't 'Beat as it Sweeps as it Cleans', it's not an agitator, it's a brush-roll!

~ However Clean - Hoover Cleaner ~
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: The New Dyson DC27 Upright!
Reply #63   Jan 20, 2009 6:58 pm
Model2 wrote:
Trilobite - are you vacuuming an elephant house!? And if it doesn't 'Beat as it Sweeps as it Cleans', it's not an agitator, it's a brush-roll!


And if it's a dyson, it's a brush bar!

Carmine D.

Model2


~ It Beats...as it Sweeps...as it Cleans ~

Location: England
Joined: Jan 8, 2009
Points: 155

Which Magazine Results for the Dyson DC24 & DC25
Reply #64   Jan 23, 2009 12:17 pm
As promised, I've tracked down Which? Magazine's findings for the two current Dyson Ball models. Compare them with Consumer Report's findings, and draw your own conclusions:

DC25 Animal

Test criteriaRating
Cleaning
Carpet 5 stars
Laminate floors 5 stars
Floorboards 5 stars
Walls and corners 3 stars
Performance
Allergen retention 5 stars
Pet hair  5 stars
Noise 1 star
Ease of use
General use  3 stars
Emptying  3 stars
Cleaning stairs 2 stars
Manoeuvrability  3 stars

DC24 All Floors

Test criteriaRating
Cleaning
Carpet 5 stars
Laminate floors 5 stars
Floorboards 5 stars
Walls and corners 4 stars
Performance
Allergen retention 4 stars
Pet hair  2 stars
Noise 2 stars
Ease of use
General use  3 stars
Emptying  2 stars
Cleaning stairs 2 stars
Manoeuvrability  3 stars

So, quite a marked difference to CR's results. Both models, coincidentally, achieve Which?'s 'Best Buy' certificate of recommendation.

~ However Clean - Hoover Cleaner ~
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: The New Dyson DC27 Upright!
Reply #65   Jan 23, 2009 12:50 pm

Model2  I took the liberty to post side by side.  The test categories/criteria are not the same.  I matched the CR to Which?.  But it's "subjective." CR has not rated the DC25 yet.  Probably, in the March 2009 edition.  The ratings of a DC24 by CR and Which? are not markedly different.  CR's DC24 ratings are not necessarily bad.  Just a plethera of other US brand vacuums that perform as good and better.  WRT noise, Which? may be a more conservative grader than CR?

DC24 All Floors       Which?                        Consumer Reports

Test criteriaRating
Carpet 5 stars                      Carpet       Good          
Laminate floors 5 stars                       Barefloor  Excellent
Floorboards 5 stars                     
Walls and corners 4 stars
Allergen retention 4 stars                      Emissions     Excellent   
Pet hair  2 stars                      Pat Hair          Fair
Noise 2 stars                      Noise              Very Good
General use  3 stars                     Handling         Very Good
Emptying  2 stars                     
Cleaning stairs 2 stars                     Tool Airflow    Poor
Manoeuvrability  3 stars

Carmine D.

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Model2


~ It Beats...as it Sweeps...as it Cleans ~

Location: England
Joined: Jan 8, 2009
Points: 155

Re: The New Dyson DC27 Upright!
Reply #66   Jan 23, 2009 1:10 pm
CarmineD wrote:
 WRT noise, Which? may be a more conservative grader than CR:                  



Which? describe their sound-test thus: 'Noise levels are tested by placing vacuum cleaners in specially-configured sound chambers, surrounding them with carefully placed microphones to measure decibels reached.'

My guess would be that perhaps the average European cleaner is quieter than the average American cleaner. So a Dyson might seem quiet when compared to others in the US, but louder than others in the UK. In my own experience, I wouldn't say I find any Dyson - with the possible exception of the DC03 - quiet, but nor do I find them loud, and certainly not uncomfortably so.

~ However Clean - Hoover Cleaner ~
Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900

Re: The New Dyson DC27 Upright!
Reply #67   Jan 23, 2009 1:23 pm
Hi gang,

"Walls and corners" refers to edge cleaning doesn't it?  Which, by the way, is a term I haven't heard in a month of Sundays.  Has its importance in sales pitches dimished?

Venson
Lucky1


Joined: Jan 2, 2008
Points: 271

Re: The New Dyson DC27 Upright!
Reply #68   Jan 23, 2009 1:25 pm
I notice 5 stars on Allergen retention. My question being...How was this determined? Was a particle meter used? With 5 or more seals that leak before the dust even gets to the HEPA filter how is a 5 star rating possibly achieved? On machines that have true sealed HEPA filtration systems, do they get lumped into a lesser efficient group of 5 star machines, thus negating their superior technology? Seems misleading and a dis-service to the consumer if that is true.
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: The New Dyson DC27 Upright!
Reply #69   Jan 23, 2009 1:34 pm
Venson wrote:
Hi gang,

"Walls and corners" refers to edge cleaning doesn't it?  Which, by the way, is a term I haven't heard in a month of Sundays.  Has its importance in sales pitches dimished?

Venson



Hi Venson:

Interestingly, the HSN Julie HOOVER demo today keyed in on the walls and corners aka edge cleaning.  She used both sides of the nozzle head to show equidistant suction power all around.  One of the tenets of WT technology.

Carmine D.

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