Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Having another topic mentioned some new vax machines on a Littlewoods website, I had a look around to see what else might be new and came across the 'new' Dyson DC27 Upright, see link below:

http://www.littlewoods.com/rf/s.do?Np=1&Ns=&Ntk=littlewoods_search&Ntt=dyson&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Nty=1&Nu=this_product&pageSize=12&Nao=0&cmEvent=page_navigation

They have 2 Models on their website 'Animal' and 'All Floors', first look suggests an update version of the US DC17 but for the UK\Europe markets.  This will be the replacement for the popular DC14.  I thought a separate motor for the brush bar like the DC17 would have been standard, but looks like it uses the DC04\DC07\DC14 clutch setup!   Not sure as the website doesn't say if it just has a slim root cyclone technology or the core is included!   It does look like it has more small cyclones than the current DC14 and DC15 and DC25 models.  See picture of DC27 All Floors model below!  DC18

 

"3M and its stockholders make money by selling as much Filtrete product as possible."  DIB

Actually, DIB, more correctly "post-it" products.  Those little yellow and/or multi-color paper stick ons that you see all over every where in academia, businesses, offices, homes you name it.  I usually have a stack within arms reach of telephones, computer, TV's, book shelves, desk draws.  I don't know how I lived without them, and I recall when they were invented.  Talk about pure and simple genius.  And profiting from and by it.  Acquaint yourself with the post it story and its inventor.  It's the invention success story that is routinely taught and discussed by all teachers worth their salt.  Being praiseworthy of all forms of innovation, invention and technology, no doubt you feel exactly the same way as me.  Profit was never the motive for post-its.  Necessity was.  How does the saying go:  Necessity is the mother of invention.  But I'm sure being the banner waver for technology, you already know the facts front to back.

Filtrete paper bags and filters are just a small semi-related aside to the MMM core business.  Albeit a very profitable aside as you said.  I believe successful companies and businesses call it "growing your business."  That's what good CEO's and business leaders do rather than sitting back and resting on their past laurels.  Just another stroke of MMM genius to make life better and easier for people through applications of its products to the real world needs and demands of people.  Something you can quickly and easily identify with yourself. 

BTW, did you hear:  The Chinese, you know that 3rd world country with the lowest and poorest paid people working in squalor conditions that recently hosted the summer Olympics, might beat the USA and other world countries to market with an electric car that is chargeable from household electrical sockets [2010].  Go figure.  Even Warren Buffett has taken notice.  You know him.  That eccentric multi-billionaire who's best buds with Bill Gates and gives tens of billions of dollars to charity every year.  Maybe Wal*Mart stores will get the exclusive sell rights to the new Chinese electric car and compete with the big time USA and global car makers.  I'd love to see it!

Carmine D.

Carmine,

Do you have any information or seen any science comparing Filtrete filtration against Dyson filtration?  Certainly, canisters using Filtrete filtration choke faster than do uprights using Filtrete filtration.  If Dyson filtration is better than the Filtrete (which I know it is), then Dyson cans are even that much better than cans using Filtrete filtration. - Do you know of any science that can prove otherwise?

God gave the inventor the Post-It concept while he fumbled thru his hymnal or Bible looking for hymns or scriptures (I forgot which it was).  He used a glue that was invented by 3M and that was previously rejected and thought worthless.  After marring the “note” to the glue it was rejected by the 3M suits until the secretary of the CEO fell in love with em (the Post-it) and got her boss “hooked on em”.  Am I close?

Earlier you were claiming inventors had a lesser role in society or were lesser at making money than suits.  I say the inventor was bless and the *3M suit (CEO) was lucky/fairly lucky.  This suit could be easily replaced, not this inventor or his idea.

Since Walmart withdraws $200b from Americans and pumps it into China, I see no reason why they should not succeed with an electric car.  Inventing is God given and has no borders, even the Nazi's had some inventors that built or conceived incredible, unbelievable and ahead-of-it-time inventions.  Does this make Nazi Germany good too?

Unless you have information otherwise, China remains communist and all the filth that goes along with that.  Perhaps you should move there and raise your pro-Walmart, pro-Bill Gates, pro-Warren Buffett flag as high as you can.


DIB

*Typically this is the case, although I have not studied this fella.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Yes, the science of smell.  As in the nose knows!  Read the posts below.

Vacuumfreeeke wrote:

So as to corroborate Bobby's conclusion above, Trilobite added:

Trilobite wrote:

Do you have proof to dispute the above?  Bagless, even yours, is terrible for pet owners like me and the 74 million USA households with 4 legged furry friends.  And millions more Americans who suffer from allergies and sinuses.  Like my dear Wife.

As a rule, you know your topic.  Where you fall short IMHO is applying the same logic to the facts and circumstances to arrive at consistent and correct conclusions.  Your conclusions are skewed/flawed because of your unfounded biases.  

A correction to your misquote above:  I don't impugn invention.  Obviously my MMM case!  Inventors and business people are equally important in the roles they share to make life better through the use of technology.  You tend to glorify a particular inventor/designer who is an excellent marketer in my opinion and very lucky [tho eventually luck runs out].  I say that engineers/inventors as a rule make "so-so" business leaders at best.  Their biggest business weakness is not knowing when to cut their losses and move on.   Steve Jobs is an obvious exception.  But Jobs had to first learn a very valuable lesson in humility by almost losing the company he help found.  He profited by the experience which made him a good business leader.  Pray for his health and well being.  And hopefully APPLE will handle his health issues/concerns with stockholders and stakeholders with honesty.

Carmine D.

DC18 wrote:

That is the clue: a constantly rotating brush, especially on hard floors, can flick particles and allergens out of the airstream.

Who has used an upright with a constantly turning brush, and noticed grit, sand, or peanuts flicked out by the agitator?

UK Catalogue High Street chain Argos has the DC27 models on their website with some technical information on this new model:

1300 watt motor

255 air watts measured through the hose

Hose length 3.73m (catalogue says 16ft hose)

2.3 Litre dust bin

Available from February 2009

Interesting to see the motor wattage is lower than the out going DC14 and the air watts to! 

DC18

Trilobite wrote:

Trilobite - are you vacuuming an elephant house!? And if it doesn't 'Beat as it Sweeps as it Cleans', it's not an agitator, it's a brush-roll!

Model2 wrote:

And if it's a dyson, it's a brush bar!

Carmine D.

As promised, I've tracked down Which? Magazine's findings for the two current Dyson Ball models. Compare them with Consumer Report's findings, and draw your own conclusions:

DC25 Animal

Test criteria	Rating
Cleaning
Carpet
Laminate floors
Floorboards
Walls and corners
Performance
Allergen retention
Pet hair
Noise
Ease of use
General use
Emptying
Cleaning stairs
Manoeuvrability

DC24 All Floors

Test criteria	Rating
Cleaning
Carpet
Laminate floors
Floorboards
Walls and corners
Performance
Allergen retention
Pet hair
Noise
Ease of use
General use
Emptying
Cleaning stairs
Manoeuvrability

So, quite a marked difference to CR's results. Both models, coincidentally, achieve Which?'s 'Best Buy' certificate of recommendation.

Model2  I took the liberty to post side by side.  The test categories/criteria are not the same.  I matched the CR to Which?.  But it's "subjective." CR has not rated the DC25 yet.  Probably, in the March 2009 edition.  The ratings of a DC24 by CR and Which? are not markedly different.  CR's DC24 ratings are not necessarily bad.  Just a plethera of other US brand vacuums that perform as good and better.  WRT noise, Which? may be a more conservative grader than CR?

DC24 All Floors       Which?                        Consumer Reports

Test criteria	Rating
Carpet	Carpet       Good
Laminate floors	Barefloor  Excellent
Floorboards
Walls and corners
Allergen retention	Emissions     Excellent
Pet hair	Pat Hair          Fair
Noise	Noise              Very Good
General use	Handling         Very Good
Emptying
Cleaning stairs	Tool Airflow    Poor
Manoeuvrability

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Which? describe their sound-test thus: 'Noise levels are tested by placing vacuum cleaners in specially-configured sound chambers, surrounding them with carefully placed microphones to measure decibels reached.'

My guess would be that perhaps the average European cleaner is quieter than the average American cleaner. So a Dyson might seem quiet when compared to others in the US, but louder than others in the UK. In my own experience, I wouldn't say I find any Dyson - with the possible exception of the DC03 - quiet, but nor do I find them loud, and certainly not uncomfortably so.