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CarmineD
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Re: The New Dyson DC27 Upright!
Reply #49 Jan 13, 2009 6:23 pm |
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Model2: Without providing the specific details, I believe that Consumer Reports weighs in more heavily on the side of the big box retail store vacuum brands that are most affordable to the average consumers' household budgets. I suspect this will especially be the case now in hard economic times. BTW, I don't subscribe to CR. Never have save receiving as gifts over the years. However I do pick and choose monthly CR editions off the newstands for purchase; i.e the biannual vacuum editions [March and October]. Carmine D.
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Re: The New Dyson DC27 Upright!
Reply #51 Jan 13, 2009 7:05 pm |
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Reading the Which Report clips that Model2 posted Which says the Dyson DC14 Orgin is not as good as the DC14 All floor at retaining allergens! Not sure where they got that information from! Only difference between these 2 models in the UK is one has the clutch setup to turn the brush bar off the another is a standard motor driven brush bar direct from the motor using a standard rubber belt! The cyclone and filter setup is the same! Both don't have HEPA filters, as it mentions there is HEPA models available (Allergy and Animal). DC18 I noticed that too - I thought at first it was a printing error, but the full score-grid gives the All Floors four stars out of five, and the Origin three! I guess it could be a testing error, a human error, or possibly they really did get different scores from the different models, although it would seem impossible. One thing testing of this kind - using just one example of each cleaner - doesn't allow for is anomalies. For true accuracy, a random sample of several examples of each model should be tested, but it's just not practical or economical, I suppose.
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DysonInventsBig
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Re: The New Dyson DC27 Upright!
Reply #52 Jan 14, 2009 10:53 am |
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Model2,
Does Which Magazine ever talk of the benefits of Dyson’s filtration vice bag filtration? CR refuses to compare Dyson filtration or its benefits against bag filtration. This is a disservice to their paying customers and those who believe CR’s statements of being non-bias.
DIB Then why dont you tell us about the dyson filtration and its benefits over a bagged machine that uses filtrette bags and carbon activated after filters.I know that these machines are priced the same,For every spinned reason you throw out there i can give you reasons and answers [OH and by the way it never looses suction remember that line, why dont you tell us about that LIE and advertising deception again. This is getting VERY OLD , why dont you promote a vacuum that gives the public its moneys worth................. MOLE Mole, I would like to see the Filtrete go against Dyson filtration. So why hasn't the $24b 3M Corporation bellied up with some data disproving the $1.5b Dyson claims? And why does 3M insist on using the technobabble language of “low pressure loss” as apposed to “clogging”? The masses understand “clogging” not “low pressure loss”. And/or why does not 3M publish results from testing standards to determine if clogging occurs as Dyson freely does? DIB
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Severus
If my vacuum can remove even one spec of dirt that yours misses, then mine is better than yours - even if there's no proof that mine would have picked up as much dirt as yours...
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Re: The New Dyson DC27 Upright!
Reply #53 Jan 14, 2009 11:29 am |
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Mole,
I would like to see the Filtrete go against Dyson filtration. So why hasn't the $24b 3M Corporation bellied up with some data disproving the $1.5b Dyson claims? And why does 3M insist on using the tech-no babble language of “low pressure loss” as apposed to “clogging”? The masses understand “clogging” not “low pressure loss”. And/or why does not 3M publish results from testing standards to determine if clogging occurs as Dyson freely does?
DIB
The smart tyrant writes his own story to ensure that it is favorable. The lazy will repeat lines from the book without fact checking.
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Severus
If my vacuum can remove even one spec of dirt that yours misses, then mine is better than yours - even if there's no proof that mine would have picked up as much dirt as yours...
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Re: The New Dyson DC27 Upright!
Reply #54 Jan 14, 2009 11:41 am |
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I noticed that too - I thought at first it was a printing error, but the full score-grid gives the All Floors four stars out of five, and the Origin three! I guess it could be a testing error, a human error, or possibly they really did get different scores from the different models, although it would seem impossible. One thing testing of this kind - using just one example of each cleaner - doesn't allow for is anomalies. For true accuracy, a random sample of several examples of each model should be tested, but it's just not practical or economical, I suppose.
I don't know about "Which?", but I believe Consumer Reports does buy 4 or 5 of each model tested to allow for variability among sampled vacuums.
the biggest weakness in CR is in the test methods selected. If CR tested on carpet like what Carmine has, for example, they would have rated the Dyson models with clutches, as unacceptable. On low pile commercial type carpeting, Dyson would likely rate very well, provided there isn't any pet hair to remove. CR does send the vacuums home with employees to get in home vacuuming experience, but they don't conduct any tests based on in home experience. They use standard carpets made for testing of vacuums.
The smart tyrant writes his own story to ensure that it is favorable. The lazy will repeat lines from the book without fact checking.
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CarmineD
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Re: The New Dyson DC27 Upright!
Reply #55 Jan 14, 2009 12:33 pm |
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the biggest weakness in CR is in the test methods selected. If CR tested on carpet like what Carmine has, for example, they would have rated the Dyson models with clutches, as unacceptable. On low pile commercial type carpeting, Dyson would likely rate very well, provided there isn't any pet hair to remove.
Hi Severus:
Thanks for posting the corrections about Consumer Reports and clarification about 3M's bags. Just to update those who may not know, I have Mohawk wool carpets with medium pile and backing. This is a commonly purchased rug upgrade by homeowners. I have carpets in the bedrooms only. These rugs are not a problem for my ORECK, assorted HOOVER-s [not self-propelled], EUREKA and others [some of which are vintage], which navigate and perform on the rugs with no effort. Since the failed attempts with a dyson DC07 pink, even with workarounds suggested by dyson tech reps and HELPLINE, I learned from posts/links here that Mohawk industries has voided its warranty on any of its carpets if dysons are used. Unfortunately, as a rug/vacuum consumer you don't find this out until after a dyson purchase. I suspect if I chose, I could return the over 2 year old DC07 pink which is gathering dust unused in my daughter's home, for reasons of the voided warranty. But I haven't tried. My grand daughter loves the color! Tho she calls it papa's vacuum. I always thought dyson would have an edge up with Consumer Reports because dyson's primary sales venue is big box retail stores, and CR is biased in favor of those brands and models. New dyson models always get quick/speedy reviews by CR unlike other brands that have to wait years. But as we know all dyson models save the DC17 manage only fair to middlin reviews. Worst of all are dyson ball models. On this one issue, I agree with DIB: These dyson ratings and rankings because of the high dyson prices, serve to seriously negate dyson sales. [As do rug manufacturers' voided warranties]. Only saving grace is the CR reliability data which places dyson second for uprights. But CR qualifies the reliability data and readers reliance on it because of the relative newness of the dyson brand in the USA. Be interesting to see how they fare in the future. Carmine D.
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DysonInventsBig
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Re: The New Dyson DC27 Upright!
Reply #56 Jan 14, 2009 4:04 pm |
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Mole,
I would like to see the Filtrete go against Dyson filtration. So why hasn't the $24b 3M Corporation bellied up with some data disproving the $1.5b Dyson claims? And why does 3M insist on using the tech-no babble language of “low pressure loss” as apposed to “clogging”? The masses understand “clogging” not “low pressure loss”. And/or why does not 3M publish results from testing standards to determine if clogging occurs as Dyson freely does?
DIB 3M and its stockholders make money by selling as much Filtrete product as possible. 3M controls their own packaging and public statements... so where is this so-called “evidence of the superiority” (over Dyson filtration)? DIB P.S. I would not mind your insults if you had a grasp on your topic/s.
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CarmineD
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Re: The New Dyson DC27 Upright!
Reply #57 Jan 14, 2009 5:35 pm |
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" 3M and its stockholders make money by selling as much Filtrete product as possible." DIBActually, DIB, more correctly "post-it" products. Those little yellow and/or multi-color paper stick ons that you see all over every where in academia, businesses, offices, homes you name it. I usually have a stack within arms reach of telephones, computer, TV's, book shelves, desk draws. I don't know how I lived without them, and I recall when they were invented. Talk about pure and simple genius. And profiting from and by it. Acquaint yourself with the post it story and its inventor. It's the invention success story that is routinely taught and discussed by all teachers worth their salt. Being praiseworthy of all forms of innovation, invention and technology, no doubt you feel exactly the same way as me. Profit was never the motive for post-its. Necessity was. How does the saying go: Necessity is the mother of invention. But I'm sure being the banner waver for technology, you already know the facts front to back. Filtrete paper bags and filters are just a small semi-related aside to the MMM core business. Albeit a very profitable aside as you said. I believe successful companies and businesses call it "growing your business." That's what good CEO's and business leaders do rather than sitting back and resting on their past laurels. Just another stroke of MMM genius to make life better and easier for people through applications of its products to the real world needs and demands of people. Something you can quickly and easily identify with yourself. BTW, did you hear: The Chinese, you know that 3rd world country with the lowest and poorest paid people working in squalor conditions that recently hosted the summer Olympics, might beat the USA and other world countries to market with an electric car that is chargeable from household electrical sockets [2010]. Go figure. Even Warren Buffett has taken notice. You know him. That eccentric multi-billionaire who's best buds with Bill Gates and gives tens of billions of dollars to charity every year. Maybe Wal*Mart stores will get the exclusive sell rights to the new Chinese electric car and compete with the big time USA and global car makers. I'd love to see it! Carmine D.
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