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DysonInventsBig
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Re: The New Dyson DC27 Upright!
Reply #32 Jan 12, 2009 3:43 pm |
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Hi guys, new member here! I'd suggest another reason for Dyson continuing with a wheeled cleaner in the model line-up is that there will always be a section of the market, particularly buyers 'of a certain age', who are put off by seemingly 'over-complicated' technology. It's hard enough to get these people to 'say goodbye to the bag' at all, after they've been used to traditional machines for so many years. Even if you can get them to consider a Dyson, the Ball, and the totally new style of cleaning it brings, is probably a step too far. They'll retreat into their familiar comfort zone and go for much the same type of cleaner they've always bought before . As long as these consumers exist - as well as sceptics who look at the Ball, and the wheel retraction system and think, 'That's going to break in 5 seconds...' - there will be a market for a basic machine. From what I can see, the DC27 takes all the best features from the previous wheeled upright models and combines them in an updated, improved package. Welcome. I believe the DC27 looks to be Dyson’s best [clutch] vacuum, no doubt. It is good looking too. Point well made. Just how many are put off, only Dyson and alike would know. I was somewhat surprised when an “up in age” woman called into HSN to give her testimonial. She lived (had to move to) Arizona for it’s cleaner air, etc. and was dependent on supplemental oxygen (and it sounded so)... boy oh boy she went on and on of her love for her DC18. Oreck is trying to hype or promote it ability to steer or almost. Below is a pic from a recent t.v. commercial. DIB
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DC18
Dyson, Sebo and Bissell user
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Re: The New Dyson DC27 Upright!
Reply #33 Jan 12, 2009 6:15 pm |
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Venson,
It is a good question. Airblade commented that although many liked the DC15, it was determined to be somewhat heavy/felt heavy to turn. IMO, until a “full sized” Ball/steerable can be made to feel light and/or come in at the “right” price point the non-steerable’s will remain.
Yes, the S7 or Oreck’s and alike do not float per say. Yet, mechanically they pull themselves (@ the nozzle opening) into carpeting just like the floating Dyson.
DIB The DC25 is alot lighter to use than the original DC15. The only issue which is probably why it's lighter is the small bin capacity on the DC25! The new generation Ball DC24 and DC25 are a lot cheaoer than the DC15 when that came out so the price of the ball technology is coming down! That may be due to the fact these ball vacuums are less complex than it's Big Brother DC15! As technology moves on the ball technology will evolve as I'm sure we will see when the next lot of Dyson Ball Vacuums comes out in the future!
I think Dyson will always have a non-steerable upright vacuum in this model line-up! The ball doesn't appeal to everyone. Plus wouldn't the ball vacuum require a floating head!? Haven't we said floating heads don't always give the best performance!? DC18
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DC18
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Re: The New Dyson DC27 Upright!
Reply #34 Jan 12, 2009 6:40 pm |
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Hi guys, new member here! I'd suggest another reason for Dyson continuing with a wheeled cleaner in the model line-up is that there will always be a section of the market, particularly buyers 'of a certain age', who are put off by seemingly 'over-complicated' technology. It's hard enough to get these people to 'say goodbye to the bag' at all, after they've been used to traditional machines for so many years. Even if you can get them to consider a Dyson, the Ball, and the totally new style of cleaning it brings, is probably a step too far. They'll retreat into their familiar comfort zone and go for much the same type of cleaner they've always bought before . As long as these consumers exist - as well as sceptics who look at the Ball, and the wheel retraction system and think, 'That's going to break in 5 seconds...' - there will be a market for a basic machine. From what I can see, the DC27 takes all the best features from the previous wheeled upright models and combines them in an updated, improved package. I agree there is that part of the market that certain 'group' of customers will stay clear of the ball technology! Saying that the new Dyson Ball Vacuums have been engineered to be less complex and more stream lined to the eye! Also easier to operate and use compared to the Dc15, which I agree the DC24 and DC25 are!
At present I don't think the 'Ball' technology is that well grounded in the market to purely go full ball technology! The 2nd generation DC24 and DC25 are a welcome step in the right direction to making this technology more of a main stream model for Dyson. I believe as I've said on this thread before the DC14 (wheeled vac) is Dyson's base ('bread and butter') line that sell well and is popular! Plus you get a variety of range within that model, the ball limits this to just 2 setups 'All floors' and 'Animal' with HEPA, well here in the UK. Some people in the UK buy the basic DC14 (for carpeted homes only) where as the ball models don't offer this. For some people they just want a baic vacuum. To go full ball technology Dyson would be lossing out on some of it's market, hence the reason for the DC27 an updated improved DC14! As Model2 says there will always be a place for a basic machine! DC18
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CarmineD
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Re: The New Dyson DC27 Upright!
Reply #35 Jan 13, 2009 6:56 am |
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While I agree with many of the convincing arguments offered, I'm with Venson. If the ball is all that then why in the USA does a DC25 have an MSRP of $499 and the latest wheeled dyson DC27 [bread and butter machine] retail for $479. And even more confusing an old wheeled DC17 is $549! Doesn't make sense to Venson and I. Conflicting signals from the vacuum maker as to which IS the top of the line model. Your best and most desirable model, whether or not the hoi polloi want and buy, should be the most expensive [not by $20]. A bread and butter machine should be priced much lower for the hoi polloi [not by $20]. Not that dyson ever follows the industry norms and standards. I opine that the reasons are not as maverick as some here suggest. If dyson can't get the 10 percent of its loyal repeat customers to go from a wheel [old fashioned] to a ball [the supposed best in technology for steering and manueverability, even with a same/lower MSRP than the wheeled vacuum], dyson won't get the other 90 percent of its past customers either. They'll buy another brand. While comments here say dyson's DC24 [3rd generation in steering/manueverabity considering DC18] is a step in the right direction, Consumer Reports [October 2008] rates lower than the worse ever rated dyson DC15 ball. Getting a Poor in tool suction and Fair in pet hair pick up. And CR's initial comments on the DC25, not yet reviewed and rated, are not very promising. Recall my friend here DIB, a professed ball technology advocate and herald, paid only $300 for a DC15 ball. If THE one here carrying the dyson ball technology banner won't pay MSRP for the latest and greatest dyson technology, who then? IMHO, that's the crux of the reason for a wheeled DC27 at $479. All ball dysons, DC24/DC25 included, will be scrubbed in a few years. Same fate as ball wheel barrows. Welcome aboard Model2. Carmine D.
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Re: The New Dyson DC27 Upright!
Reply #36 Jan 13, 2009 9:17 am |
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Now if it was priced within reason, lets face it 400.00 plus for a cheaply made better than none of the rest overhyped mis marketed, does not clean any better than an bissel upright for 69.95,.then we might have something here........ If your inclined to buy a dyson,go to E-BAY i know they are sold at cost and sometimes lower,the market is saturated with these,do yourself a favor and save yourself 100 to 200 hundred off M.S.R.P. Trust me the DEALERS are hurting and will do anything to unload machines.ALL BETS ARE OFF its a eat or be eaten economy,the strong will survive, The next step for DYSON will be direct door to door sales, just like KIRBY, of course the pricing will be all over the board. Dont be a sucker[no pun intended]......... MOLE
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Model2
~ It Beats...as it Sweeps...as it Cleans ~
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Re: The New Dyson DC27 Upright!
Reply #40 Jan 13, 2009 2:02 pm |
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While I agree with many of the convincing arguments offered, I'm with Venson. If the ball is all that then why in the USA does a DC25 have an MSRP of $499 and the latest wheeled dyson DC27 [bread and butter machine] retail for $479. And even more confusing an old wheeled DC17 is $549! Doesn't make sense to Venson and I. Conflicting signals from the vacuum maker as to which IS the top of the line model. Your best and most desirable model, whether or not the hoi polloi want and buy, should be the most expensive [not by $20]. A bread and butter machine should be priced much lower for the hoi polloi [not by $20]. Not that dyson ever follows the industry norms and standards. I opine that the reasons are not as maverick as some here suggest. If dyson can't get the 10 percent of its loyal repeat customers to go from a wheel [old fashioned] to a ball [the supposed best in technology for steering and manueverability, even with a same/lower MSRP than the wheeled vacuum], dyson won't get the other 90 percent of its past customers either. They'll buy another brand. While comments here say dyson's DC24 [3rd generation in steering/manueverabity considering DC18] is a step in the right direction, Consumer Reports [October 2008] rates lower than the worse ever rated dyson DC15 ball. Getting a Poor in tool suction and Fair in pet hair pick up. And CR's initial comments on the DC25, not yet reviewed and rated, are not very promising. Recall my friend here DIB, a professed ball technology advocate and herald, paid only $300 for a DC15 ball. If THE one here carrying the dyson ball technology banner won't pay MSRP for the latest and greatest dyson technology, who then? IMHO, that's the crux of the reason for a wheeled DC27 at $479. All ball dysons, DC24/DC25 included, will be scrubbed in a few years. Same fate as ball wheel barrows. Welcome aboard Model2. Carmine D. Hi again - thanks for the welcome, CarmineD and DIB!
I'm interested in the disparity between the US Consumer Reports rating, and the EU equivalent, Which? Magazine's ratings of Dyson machines. When the Dyson DC01 and DC02 first came out, Which? were very positive about them, until the brand's poor reliability began to become apparent in consumer surveys. For years after that, while Dyson machines performed consistantly well in testing, Which? refused bestow them with their 'Best Buy' recommendation. However, once Dyson introduced the standard 5-year guarantee, Which? announced they no longer had a problem recommending Dyson. As you can see from this April 2007 report, out of the 5 'Best Buy' uprights, 4 of them are Dyson models. Only the Sebo Felix ranks alongside them for cleaning ability. To quote their results for the DC14 '...our results showed top-notch scores all round.' An overview of high-scoring models on the previous page states of the DC14 All Floors, 'This Dyson is the carpet king, combining excellent dust pick-up with top-notch filtration.' I can't understand why Consumer Report rates them so poorly, and Which? rates them so highly. Unfortunately, not being a subscriber to Which? I haven't seen any test results for Dyson upright or canister models later than these ones, so I couldn't comment on their opinion of the DC24, DC25 etc. I have a DC24, which does a respectable job for such a compact, lightweight cleaner. Coincidentally, in this test, the Oreck XL7, the most expensive machine tested (retailing at £449 - £170 more than the most expensive Dyson) achieved an overall score of just 51%.
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CarmineD
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Re: The New Dyson DC27 Upright!
Reply #41 Jan 13, 2009 2:11 pm |
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Hi Guys: My opinion on consumer magazine rankings and ratings: You're only as good as your latest ranking and score. And even then, it's a subjective guide. Carmine D.
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