Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Having another topic mentioned some new vax machines on a Littlewoods website, I had a look around to see what else might be new and came across the 'new' Dyson DC27 Upright, see link below:

http://www.littlewoods.com/rf/s.do?Np=1&Ns=&Ntk=littlewoods_search&Ntt=dyson&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Nty=1&Nu=this_product&pageSize=12&Nao=0&cmEvent=page_navigation

They have 2 Models on their website 'Animal' and 'All Floors', first look suggests an update version of the US DC17 but for the UK\Europe markets.  This will be the replacement for the popular DC14.  I thought a separate motor for the brush bar like the DC17 would have been standard, but looks like it uses the DC04\DC07\DC14 clutch setup!   Not sure as the website doesn't say if it just has a slim root cyclone technology or the core is included!   It does look like it has more small cyclones than the current DC14 and DC15 and DC25 models.  See picture of DC27 All Floors model below!  DC18

 

Trilobite wrote:

Thats one of my concerns!  You could look at the DC27 (UK) as an updated DC14!  From looking at the first pictures a few improvements over the DC14!  After all the DC14 and the replacement DC27 is Dyson's main 'bread & butter' model (as we call it!), which is more popular overall!  So to make major changes could effect this base model.  The main 'basic' design of the cleaner head has not changed since it was introduced on the DC04, each model after having design changes made like the air vents at the back of the soleplate on the DC07!   After all the DC14 was introduced after issues from the DC07 hence the lower height on the bin and cyclone setup giving a better lower centre of gravity for carrying the vacuum.

I would have liked the DC17 setup on the DC27 in the UK, by that I mean a separate motor for the brush bar\roll.  After all the cleaning head is more or less the same as the DC17!  Also the use of Level 3\Core technology as well.  Who knows may be the DC27 is just an interim model and Dyson is working on something completely new!!  I believe each Dyson model (the full range for that model) product lifecycle is about 5 years!  Be interesting to see what benefits the DC27 has over the DC14!

DC18

DysonInventsBig wrote:

I've never had any issues with the clutch setup on any of my Dyson's since it was introduced on the DC03.  It was welcomed in the UK when it first appeared on the DC03 as the DC01 didn't ever have this setup!

It can be a job to bend down and turn the dial to switch off\on the brush bar\roll, you can so I've see use your foot to do this!  This was mainly marketed by Dyson when the DC07 came to the US. 

DC18

Venson wrote:

Quite.

DC18 wrote:  "Be interesting to see what benefits the DC27 has over the DC14!"

Not bloody much by the look of things!

Trilobite wrote:

One thing I'm interested to know is why the UK version has the same cleaning head as the DC17\DC27 US when it's clean the clutch system is being used and not a separate motor for the brush bar\roll!  Or does it have similar brush bar\roll as the DC15\DC18\DC25 ones used!?  Not sure if this would work with the clutch setup!

DC18

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Venson wrote:
Venson,

It is a good question.  Airblade commented that although many liked the DC15, it was determined to be somewhat heavy/felt heavy to turn.  IMO, until a “full sized” Ball/steerable can be made to feel light and/or come in at the “right” price point the non-steerable’s will remain.

Yes, the S7 or Oreck’s and alike do not float per say.  Yet, mechanically they pull themselves (@ the nozzle opening) into carpeting just like the floating Dyson.

DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hi guys, new member here!

I'd suggest another reason for Dyson continuing with a wheeled cleaner in the model line-up is that there will always be a section of the market, particularly buyers 'of a certain age', who are put off by seemingly 'over-complicated' technology. It's hard enough to get these people to 'say goodbye to the bag' at all, after they've been used to traditional machines for so many years. Even if you can get them to consider a Dyson, the Ball, and the totally new style of cleaning it brings, is probably a step too far. They'll retreat into their familiar comfort zone and go for much the same type of cleaner they've always bought before .

As long as these consumers exist - as well as sceptics who look at the Ball, and the wheel retraction system and think, 'That's going to break in 5 seconds...' - there will be a market for a basic machine. From what I can see, the DC27 takes all the best features from the previous wheeled upright models and combines them in an updated, improved package.

Model2 wrote: Welcome.

I believe the DC27 looks to be Dyson’s best [clutch] vacuum, no doubt.  It is good looking too.

Point well made.  Just how many are put off, only Dyson and alike would know.  I was somewhat surprised when an “up in age” woman called into HSN to give her testimonial.  She lived (had to move to) Arizona for it’s cleaner air, etc. and was dependent on supplemental oxygen (and it sounded so)... boy oh boy she went on and on of her love for her DC18.

Oreck is trying to hype or promote it ability to steer or almost.  Below is a pic from a recent t.v. commercial.

DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

The DC25 is alot lighter to use than the original DC15.  The only issue which is probably why it's lighter is the small bin capacity on the DC25!  The new generation Ball DC24 and DC25 are a lot cheaoer than the DC15 when that came out so the price of the ball technology is coming down!  That may be due to the fact these ball vacuums are less complex than it's Big Brother DC15!  As technology moves on the ball technology will evolve as I'm sure we will see when the next lot of Dyson Ball Vacuums comes out in the future!

I think Dyson will always have a non-steerable upright vacuum in this model line-up! The ball doesn't appeal to everyone.  Plus wouldn't the ball vacuum require a floating head!? Haven't we said floating heads don't always give the best performance!?

DC18

Model2 wrote:

I agree there is that part of the market that certain 'group' of customers will stay clear of the ball technology! Saying that the new Dyson Ball Vacuums have been engineered to be less complex and more stream lined to the eye!  Also easier to operate and use compared to the Dc15, which I agree the DC24 and DC25 are!

At present I don't think the 'Ball' technology is that well grounded in the market to purely go full ball technology!  The 2nd generation DC24 and DC25 are a welcome step in the right direction to making this technology more of a main stream model for Dyson.  I believe as I've said on this thread before the DC14 (wheeled vac) is Dyson's base ('bread and butter') line that sell well and is popular!  Plus you get a variety of range within that model, the ball limits this to just 2 setups 'All floors' and 'Animal' with HEPA, well here in the UK.  Some people in the UK buy the basic DC14 (for carpeted homes only) where as the ball models don't offer this.  For some people they just want a baic vacuum.  To go full ball technology Dyson would be lossing out on some of it's market, hence the reason for the DC27 an updated improved DC14!  As Model2 says there will always be a place for a basic machine!

DC18

While I agree with many of the convincing arguments offered, I'm with Venson.  If the ball is all that then why in the USA does a DC25 have an MSRP of $499 and the latest wheeled dyson DC27 [bread and butter machine] retail for $479.  And even more confusing an old wheeled DC17 is $549!  Doesn't make sense to Venson and I.  Conflicting signals from the vacuum maker as to which IS the top of the line model.  Your best and most desirable model, whether or not the hoi polloi want and buy, should be the most expensive [not by $20].  A bread and butter machine should be priced much lower for the hoi polloi [not by $20].  Not that dyson ever follows the industry norms and standards.  I opine that the reasons are not as maverick as some here suggest.  If dyson can't get the 10 percent of its loyal repeat customers to go from a wheel [old fashioned] to a ball [the supposed best in technology for steering and manueverability, even with a same/lower MSRP than the wheeled vacuum], dyson won't get the other 90 percent of its past customers either.  They'll buy another brand.

While comments here say dyson's DC24 [3rd generation in steering/manueverabity considering DC18] is a step in the right direction, Consumer Reports [October 2008] rates lower than the worse ever rated dyson DC15 ball.  Getting a Poor in tool suction and Fair in pet hair pick up.  And CR's initial comments on the DC25, not yet reviewed and rated, are not very promising.  Recall my friend here DIB, a professed ball technology advocate and herald, paid only $300 for a DC15 ball.  If THE one here carrying the dyson ball technology banner won't pay MSRP for the latest and greatest dyson technology, who then?  IMHO, that's the crux of the reason for a wheeled DC27 at $479.  All ball dysons, DC24/DC25 included, will be scrubbed in a few years.  Same fate as ball wheel barrows.

Welcome aboard Model2.  

Carmine D.