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DysonInventsBig
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Original Message Jun 28, 2008 12:41 am |
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Dyson is in the news frequently and so a dedicated thread. . 
 
 
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DysonInventsBig
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Reply #396 Dec 12, 2008 4:17 pm |
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Thanks Carmine, I've been trying to figure out if these frivolous lawsuits (I see them that way) are cost effective for Dyson. Then again the only way they can be is by winning. Samsung is of formidable size and doesn't manufacture vacuums alone. Its flat-screen TVs are getting good ratings and doing well here in the U.S. Add in popular cell phones and other electronic devices plus household appliances I too think they'll be able to foot the legal bills. If I were Dyson, I think I'd spend more time trying to move ahead by improving on what it makes and leave the courts alone. Maybe the Samsung "Silencio" vac series got 'em upset. By the way . . . http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/type/type.do?group=homeappliances&type=vacuumcleaner#Venson Venson, To date, Dyson has not sued any manufacturer “that did not have it coming”. Dyson has won every lawsuit (proved theft) against manufacturers who are much older and much richer (than Dyson). If they did not steal, Dyson would not sue. It is pathetic to see these much older manufacturers and some are worth multi-billions take “what is not theirs”, from the puny and young (by comparison) $1-$1.5b, 15 year old Dyson LTD. DIB
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Reply #397 Dec 12, 2008 5:31 pm |
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Kenneth J, as a poor engineering student, had a US patent on a ball facilitator wheel long before dyson's DC15 Ball [1996 vice 2003]. But Kenneth J had no product. He lost his case in court in Washington DC on a legal technicality [thanks to a dyson 'hired' legal team that included New York's best and most expensive 3 name lawyers in 3 piece suits]. Samsung will have a few top notch lawyers too. See what happens when the playing field is level. In the meantime, the Japanese vacuum market will be a wasteland for dyson. Japanese people are very loyal to their own. Extremely so. What was dyson thinking? Hello Venson: I suspect dyson has both. A legal counsel/office in house on the payroll and "hired guns" for the court fights. Carmine D. Carmine, Just curious... How did you arrive at your “level playing field” conclusion? Samsung sales exceed $100b (min) v. Dyson sales of $1.5b. Samsung is a monster by comparison. FYI: Samsung has amassed the worlds largest low/high efficacy cyclonic filtration patents (pending). Certainly an attempt to out-spend the smaller competitors and an attempt to monopolize cyclonic filtration. Level Playing field? - Hardly. It's much more like out of kilter! DIB
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Electronics
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CarmineD
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Reply #398 Dec 12, 2008 5:49 pm |
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No complaints from you when a poor engineering student took on your idol the Forbes multi-billionaire. But when dyson faces off with a power house company like Samsung, then you cry like a baby! Typical. Dyson fans always like to compare dyson to lesser competition [read weaker] in a match off. When the face off is with an equal/greater opponent you pout. I don't know what new market[s] dyson can enter to make up for the lost sales in Japan. None as good. Dumb business move. Dyson dumb. Carmine D.
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Reply #399 Dec 12, 2008 7:31 pm |
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No complaints from you when a poor engineering student took on your idol the Forbes multi-billionaire. But when dyson faces off with a power house company like Samsung, then you cry like a baby! Typical. Dyson fans always like to compare dyson to lesser competition [read weaker] in a match off. When the face off is with an equal/greater opponent you pout. I don't know what new market[s] dyson can enter to make up for the lost sales in Japan. None as good. Dumb business move. Dyson dumb. Carmine D. Carmine, Your anti-Dyson poster-child, the so-called victim/inventor certainly obtained a patent, yet certainly did NOT invent a solution that could be transformed into a product. He and his team of trial lawyers believed their own "we were infringed" hype, when they went to court and countersued Dyson (a shakedown/extort for profit) the judge gave them an education. In the past and when only necessary, Dyson sues manufacturers over infringement and theft; he has won every time. Whereas your poster-child, the so-called victim/inventor and his team of “ambulance chasers” lost. DIB
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HARDSELL
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Reply #400 Dec 12, 2008 8:59 pm |
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No complaints from you when a poor engineering student took on your idol the Forbes multi-billionaire. But when dyson faces off with a power house company like Samsung, then you cry like a baby! Typical. Dyson fans always like to compare dyson to lesser competition [read weaker] in a match off. When the face off is with an equal/greater opponent you pout. I don't know what new market[s] dyson can enter to make up for the lost sales in Japan. None as good. Dumb business move. Dyson dumb. Carmine D. It can only be that way since all the competition is inferior to Dyson. They have no equal competition in the performance category.
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CarmineD
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Reply #401 Dec 13, 2008 6:57 am |
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Carmine,
You're the anti-Dyson poster-child,
DIB DIB: I am anti-dyson shills who bash the vacuum industry, its pros/experts, and all non-dyson vacuum products and brands with rhetoric like this: It can only be that way since all the competition is inferior to Dyson. They have no equal competition in the performance category. The above idiotic statement is the quintessential reason for dyson's litigious history. Dyson never learned to coexist in an industry that helped it make billions. Dyson's MO, fueled by dyson shills, is bash, demean, and impugn all the others. Lawsuits are dyson's means to an end. Lest you believe your own propaganda, I'll remind you. A class action against dyson by about 3 dozen angry UK dyson buyers/users and several vacuum companies. Result: Dyson lost its legal fight [with the ASA] to keep and use it's now infamous brand mantra: Never clogs and doesn't lose suction. ASA said these statements were false and exaggerated claims. ASA told dyson to cease and desist. Dyson did. Why? Dyson lost it's legal fight [again with the ASA] against the Electrolux Infinity which claimed it outcleaned dyson, with a full bag, by 50 percent. ASA ruled in Electrolux's favor against dyson. Why? Dyson has been losing vacuum market share in the UK since 2004, so dyson fans can't blame the 2008 economic downturn completely for dyson's lackluster sales. Dyson virtually guaranteed shutting itself down to the Japan market in the future, because of its suit against Samsung. Samsung merely filed a patent. It doesn't even have a product on the drawing board. Vacuums are an afterthought for Samsung. It still markets one stage bagless vacuums. And just a few low priced models not even in the dyson price range! Dyson dumb and arrogant!
Carmine D.
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Reply #402 Dec 23, 2008 4:18 pm |
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Finally! Dyson has posted much video, pic's and related telling his, his companies, his fellow inventor/engineers/designers stories and pays tribute to many others too. 4 pages worth... http://www.dyson.co.uk/insidedyson/#
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Reply #403 Dec 24, 2008 8:36 am |
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Finally! Dyson has posted much video, pic's and related telling his, his companies, his fellow inventor/engineers/designers stories and pays tribute to many others too.
Finally an answer to the progress of the dyson high school for engineers:
Dyson SchoolMost people think engineering is about greasy overalls and repairing things - it's probably why so many young people choose not to study it these days. For James Dyson, engineering is all around us: the cars we drive, new technology and thinking. His idea was for a new type of school to get young people involved in engineering and create a new generation of inventors - the Brunels of tomorrow. Our aim was to build a school for young engineers in Bath, a city close to Dyson's base. There have been a number of obstacles to overcome and unfortunately the biggest hurdle - government bureacracy - has held the project up for too long. Reluctantly we've decided to move on from our original Bath site and hope to announce a new project shortly. If a school proves impossible we'll find another way. Carmine D. [PS: highlight added by poster for emphasis].
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DysonInventsBig
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Reply #404 Dec 24, 2008 10:10 am |
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As I understood it, 2 primary things happened... 1) Small men and women in big chairs who love their old buildings had much control over Dyson building his school or not. They won by attrition. 2) As Dyson feared (publicly mentioning) that the city of Bath with its many delays would cause the British government to pull out of this school and invest in another school, and that's what happened. The subsidy was given instead to a business school spearheaded by Peter Jones, that is said to get up and running with 1 year. The Guardian gave the city of Bath the Turkey [award] over it’s decision to dismiss/deny the Dyson school. http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2008/dec/14/year-in-design-2008DIB
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