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CarmineD
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Re: Clear Sebo
Reply #33 Jun 7, 2009 8:19 am |
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The great thing about the Sebo design is that the bag doesn't cover the pre-motor filter, so the motor's not having to pull air down through the bag.
Model2: Is your point that a vacuum's motor, not just SEBO, pulls the air through the bag? Would you mind explaining to me how that works? I thought the motor pulls up dirt. Carmine D.
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Model2
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Re: Clear Sebo
Reply #34 Jun 7, 2009 9:55 am |
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Model2: Is your point that a vacuum's motor, not just SEBO, pulls the air through the bag? Would you mind explaining to me how that works? I thought the motor pulls up dirt. Carmine D.
Are you asking me to explain the clean-fan (as opposed to the direct-air/dirty-fan) design principle? Or the difference between Sebo's pre-motor filter design (placing the filter's huge surface area beside the bag - see diagram) and the more commonly-seen design, whereby the pre-motor filter is located under the bag?
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Model2
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Re: Clear Sebo
Reply #36 Jun 7, 2009 12:57 pm |
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hi Model2......wouldnt panasonics optiflow system not produce the same results as the sebos side intake...or riccars tandem air set-up is similar as it has the side intake..diff system i know but same idea...increases of suction from that side intake are how much over the optiflow or any other bottom type? not looking to debate...just curious. Other brands may well have similar designs; I'm not claiming the Sebo is entirely unique (although I can't think of anything else on sale in the UK with a similar set-up), I was simply making the innocent comment that it's one of the Sebo X-series' strengths that the suction stays relatively constant as the bag fills. That's all! Sebo have been on the mainstream market in the UK since the early 90s. 'Which? Magazine' currently rate them as the most reliable upright brand, and the highest upright brand for customer satisfaction. 'Which?' rate their performance as rather mediocre, which concurs with my own opinion of them. However, I do find that the power stays relatively constant as the bag fills. I'm not familiar with the Panasonic Optiflow system, so I couldn't comment on that. Could you post a diagram which shows how that works? The core principle of the Sebo system is that the bag doesn't sag over the filter as it fills with dirt, so the motor's not compromised pulling air down through layers of whatever dirt's already in the bag to a filter smothered underneath. If the Panasonic system is similar to that, then the answer's probably yes. The Sebo doesn't offer extra power over other machines, in fact, I feel it's weaker than many. It just stays at a more constant rate as the bag fills, for the reasons I've explained.
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CarmineD
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Re: Clear Sebo
Reply #37 Jun 7, 2009 1:55 pm |
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Are you asking me to explain the clean-fan (as opposed to the direct-air/dirty-fan) design principle? Or the difference between Sebo's pre-motor filter design (placing the filter's huge surface area beside the bag - see diagram) and the more commonly-seen design, whereby the pre-motor filter is located under the bag? Model2: I didn't mention direct suction dirt path and/or by-pass dirt path cleaning [as is the case with attachment cleaning]. I'm asking how a vacuum motor, SEBO or any other vacuum motor, pulls air through the bag into the motor and at the same time pulls dirt into the bag. How does that work? Explain it for me, please. The diagram you posted is the dirt/air path to the bag not the air path to the motor. Am I right? I see no filtered air pulled through the bag and going into the motor. I see air leaving the bag and going into the dirt path nozzle. Do you see that too in your diagram?
You posted WRT the SEBO pulling air through the bag by the motor: The great thing about the Sebo design is that the bag doesn't cover the pre-motor filter, so the motor's not having to pull air down through the bag. The filter is at the side, so the suction stays 'stronger for longer.' When you empty the bag, it's solid like a brick, packed right to the top. When you put a new one in, it's amazing how much lighter the cleaner feels! Your post and the diagram appear to be contradictory. The diagram you posted shows no air pulled into the motor from the bag. Is your point that other vacuums do this [pull air through the bag into the motor], but SEBO doesn't? Carmine D.
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Trilobite
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Re: Clear Sebo
Reply #39 Jun 7, 2009 5:03 pm |
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Model2: I didn't mention direct suction dirt path and/or by-pass dirt path cleaning [as is the case with attachment cleaning]. I'm asking how a vacuum motor, SEBO or any other vacuum motor, pulls air through the bag into the motor and at the same time pulls dirt into the bag. How does that work? Explain it for me, please. The diagram you posted is the dirt/air path to the bag not the air path to the motor. Am I right? I see no filtered air pulled through the bag and going into the motor. I see air leaving the bag and going into the dirt path nozzle. Do you see that too in your diagram?</p><p>You posted WRT the SEBO pulling air through the bag by the motor:</p><p>Your post and the diagram appear to be contradictory. The diagram you posted shows no air pulled into the motor from the bag. Is your point that other vacuums do this [pull air through the bag into the motor], but SEBO doesn't? </p><p>Carmine D.
Carmine, the principle "Model2" speaks about, is the method used by 'clean air' uprights such as Sebo and cylinder cleaners. I think you are mis-reading the Sebo diagram. Basically, (and you should know this), the motor expells air from its exhaust, creating a corresponding pressure drop at the motor intake and associated ducting upstream of the motor. This includes the bag chamber. Since nature abhors a vacuum, air rushes into the bag chamber at great speed, carrying dirt and dust as it comes. Placing a filter-bag at the entry point allows the dust to be captured, but the bag has to be permeable (that is to say, the bag must allow air to pass THROUGH the bag). If the bag sits directly upon the pre-motor filter, there is a chance that suction will be compromised as the motor will struggle to pull air through the bag which will be filling with dirt and dust. Hence the reason for the vertical tubed pre-motor filter. With reference to the Sebo diagram, dirt-laden air is sucked up the hose (shown at the rear of the tubular pre-motor filter), into the bag. Filtered air is then sucked towards the adjacent tubular filter, then down into the motor intake, through the (unseen) motor, then expelled to the atmosphere via the micro-filter.
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