Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Dyson is in the news frequently and so a dedicated thread.

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CarmineD wrote: Hello,

Because many can and do run smooth, respectable operations daily, I find substituting Oreck's reputation for innovation a poor excuse.  Oreck needs to quit whining (much marketing dedicated) of Dyson and out-innovate him and advertise that.

Dyson runs a smooth, respectable operation also (despite what his enemies say) and brings to market new innovations vice Oreck, who sells tired product (vacuums) or tired product with lipstick - i.e. the XL Platinum.

 To speculate of new hires and/or manufacturing expansion or tooling... it is obvious Mr. Dyson wants to reintroduce or introduce for the first time a new washing machine and certainly a dryer (for those countries who use dryers). Perhaps this is what he is doing, I hope so.  I have no opinion of timing, yet certainly if a washer and dryer can be innovated radically better (made more economical to run/green) perhaps now or in the near future will be a good time gear up and launch such products.

DIB

CarmineD wrote:
Hi Carmine,

I trust you and yours had a nice Thanksgiving.

I was wondering if you (or anyone) could explain the Oreck discrepancies? - That is, it is common knowledge the appliance basic design is decades old and yet Oreck Canada claims - “Always on the cutting edge of product innovation...”  So where are these cutting edge (vacuum) innovations?  I could not find any info on Oreck's sites that promotes building "affordably priced practical products", only vacuums selling for $300 to $600-*$700 and touted as “Always on the cutting edge of product innovation.”

https://www.oreckcanada.com/estore/xl_deluxe_reconditioned.asp

Thanks,
DIB

*($700 prior to economic slow-down)

Hello DIB:

Thanksgiving was wonderful.  A day to give thanks to God, who alone is our hope.

Our Moderator likes to say:  What's old is new again!  I like to say:  What's old is cool again!  Like ORECK!

I posted more details on the ORECK thread.  Wouldn't want to diminish the value of your favorite inventor, his products, and all his newsworthy escapades here with ORECK praise.  BTW, say hello from me when you meet with him/cronies about your 2008 bonus.  Slim pickens this year.  With all the new hires, salary/dividends cuts, and the worse economic conditions the world has seen in over a half century, bonus money is non-existent. 

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:

Hello HARDSELL:

I brought this over from the ORECK thread, if you don't mind, because it belongs here not there.

I am not pro-dyson tho I wholeheartedly agree with you, a self-proclaimed fan, that dysons are overpriced, overengineered and overrated.  Much to the chagrin of a huge dyson fan I say dyson should focus on its core vacuum business and divest the others.  Others here have made the point that dyson has to constantly overengineer and add new technologies to keep product prices inflated.   

You add that all vacuums over $200 are overpriced in your opinion.  I agree for dyson.  Its price range should be $150-$250 among retail store venues, not $399-$599.  Sadly, dyson can't afford to sell vacuums at these lower price points.  If it did, it would probably lose the big box retail stores' business and go bust.  Even if it didn't, it wouldn't be able to finance its other efforts.  Unfortunately, with the current economic times, big box retailers are finding vacuum sales at $400-$500 are a HARDSELL.

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:

Hello HARDSELL:

Since this is primarily a dyson newsworthy topic couched in a question I moved it with my response to this thread. 

My carpets and TV are great.  Thanks for asking.  Turns out the sensors failed prematurely in the LG TV because my granddaughters like to play with the remote.  Gotta love them.  I mentioned that with the assistance of an electronics wizard I have a work around now to keep this from happening in the future.  And it was free!

BTW, since my experience with the Mohawk carpets and dyson in my home, I see that Mohawk, perhaps others too, won't warranty their carpets with dyson use.  Here's a Web Site with the info.

http://www.my3cents.com/showReview.cgi?id=41167

Carmine D.

I get vacuum cleaner news pushed to me via Google news alerts.  James Dyson and his vacuums make up the greater majority of talk via news, blogs, forums, online magazines, etc.  It is comical how many vacuum manufacturers cannot deliver needed and measurable innovation and so they miss much free publicity the 15 year old Dyson LTD so enjoys and profits from.

Today's pushed news or alike I copied/pasted from my email alert...
 
Dyson DC24 Vacuum Review
Reviewboard Magazine - Chicago,IL,USA
Young and old, in good shape or a bit weak -- this portable vacuum cleaner (within your home) is a great addition to the Dyson line. Dyson’s vacuum cleaners ...

See all stories on this topic
http://www.reviewboard.com/2008_holiday_buyers_guide/4024-Dyson-DC24-Vacuum-Review.html


The Five I’s of Building Wealth
Motley Fool - USA
James Dyson became a billionaire by developing the bagless vacuum cleaner. His idea was initially rejected because it was seen as hurting vacuum bag sales. ...

http://caps.fool.com/blogs/viewpost.aspx?bpid=116278&t=01003357133075050748

Hi,

Just thought I'd throw this in the mix.  His lordship's heading for court again -- and  the product is not even in the stores yet . . .

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/3702987/Sir-James-Dyson-in-High-Court-attempt-to-see-off-rival-vacuum-design.html

'Tis the season to be jolly?

Venson

Hi Venson:

Dyson does have a way of shooting itself in the foot.  First, moving production to Malaysia in 2002 and losing the UK vacuum market in 5 years.  Now suing Japanese Samsung over a yet to be released product/just a patent for it.  Regardless of the legal outcome, dyson will lose its second best vacuum market in the world: Japan.  Talk about marketing suicide?  When will dyson ever learn?  Sooner or later you can't sue the pants off your competitors, because they longer have pants.

Carmine D. 

Whats the big deal,who cares, why cant we be friends,why cant we be friends,why cant we be friends,

MOLE

mole wrote:
Because . . .

"They say the best things in life are free
But they can give 'em to the birds and bees.
I want some money, a whole lot of money.
I want some money -- that's all I want."

Wish I'd wrote that.

Venson

Venson wrote:
The subtext to all this would be good to know. I presume that Dyson, having invested in their own 3-stage (level 3 root) cyclone technology, don't want someone else sharing the limelight.
They won the legal case with the Hoover UK 'TriClone' on a strong point - they could demonstrate that blocking one of the cyclones actually improved the performance. It sounds a similar situation with Samsung. But, Samsung had a patent for a three-stage cyclone granted first? Both patents are described as being similar, so if Samsung happened to get there first, with no prior art, what could Dyson's case possibilly be? Or is the comparision that Samsung's 3-stage cyclone doesn't improve separation as dramaticly as Dyson's 3-stage, as thus they don't want them having an unfair marketing advantage?