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Acerone


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Dyson AirBlade
Original Message   Dec 12, 2007 5:44 am
Saw the Dyson Airblade commercial for the first time last night. Anyone else seen it yet?
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M00seUK


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Re: Dyson AirBlade
Reply #43   Nov 22, 2008 1:23 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:



Moose,
If you look in the European patent office you will see a smaller Dyson hand dryer.

Obviously Dyson took his Airblade cues off the Jet Towel design. That said he ought to (IMO) take his cues from these smaller hand dryers too and build a less complicated, less expensive, smaller (smaller than Xlerator), and non-HEPA, DDM unit too.  He needs (IMO) to build a system down to price unlike his past/current business practices.       DIB

I've looked for all patents filed in 2008 / 2007 for the word 'drier' and have 6 results, but they all appear to be approximately the same scale as the existing model?
DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454

Re: Dyson AirBlade
Reply #44   Nov 22, 2008 1:41 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Here's the low down.  
  • You know I used the Xlerator.  It got the restroom contract at the new casino/hotel in North Las Vegas. 
  • Xlerator took only 10 seconds for drying my hands.  Remember the birthday song.  This equals the Airblade time, which I haven't used, but presume dyson's claim is true.  M00seUK agrees the Xlerator is a powerful unit.   I supect it's due to the air velocity of the Xlerator: 16,000 linear feet per minute at the opening.  What is dyson's?
  • Xlerator's max run time is 35 seconds.  It's called a lockout feature.  What is dyson's?  Xlerator automatically shuts off  after 35 secs if hands are not removed.  I presume the 35 seconds is for them there from your neck of woods who like to bathe in public toilets.  [So they don't use up all the toilet paper]. 
  • Since the Xlerator gets your hands clean after drying, it must do the same for the sink counters and mirrors.  It's undried hands and surfaces, like the deep well in the Airblade, that are bacterial prone, and in need of anti-bacterial covering and cleaning.
  • Don't know why a HEPA filter is needed on anything except a vacuum/air cleaner.  Another case of dyson overengineering.  Like putting b-a-l-l-s on vacuums for wheels.  Gets a notion and voila: It's everywhere. 
  • NSF:  Non-sufficient funds.  Which is what customers get when they buy your overpriced products! 
  • On-site service.  Not a problem with a company that leads the industry for 48 years.  Is a big problem for a novice company with less than 2 years in the idustry.

I have to conclude that Airblade didn't get the sales contracts in the UK/LV because the Xlerator's price and performance flatly out-smoked it.   Left it blowing in the wind.  Especially with Xlerator's smaller weight and size and easier mounting.   Maybe Airblade will come in a slim/lightweight version?  Or perhaps hire more sexy reps?   The housewives didn't work out.  Didn't have any industry knowledge and experience.

What's that sound?  Calling Matt mmc Airblade.  I hear that loud sucking sound.  HARDSELL just fell in the hole with DIB.  Quick!  Toss them some dyson refurbs for floatation devices.  Careful, don't fall in yourself.

Carmine D.


  Falling into a hole that has a $28 million Airblade net, has more appeal than driving off the end of "my world is flat and lets keep it that way".  Carmine, do tell... since you are now an Xlerator expert and/or cheerleader...  Q:  What was the Xlerator manufacturer's net revenue after year 2 in business? - Was it anywhere close to Dyson clearing $28 million (using your numbers)?        DIB
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CarmineD


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Re: Dyson AirBlade
Reply #45   Nov 22, 2008 3:46 pm
Hello DIB:

Thanks for the flattery.  I am not an Xlerator anything save a very satisfied and impressed user.  Once we cut through all the chafe [read dyson sales spin] it is crystal clear, even to a six year old, that the Xlerator's features and specs beat your brand.  Add XLerattor's lower price, smaller size, less weight, 48 years of business in the industry, and 16,000 LFM air velocity [What is dyson's Airblade?] and Xlerator blows Airblade out of the water. 

I don't care about Xlerator's profits.  You must remember DIB that for me, money is never the best and final measure of success.  

Carmine D.

This message was modified Nov 22, 2008 by CarmineD
CarmineD


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Re: Dyson AirBlade
Reply #46   Nov 22, 2008 4:43 pm
"I have no idea why those two places [Westminster Abbey and Wembly Stadium] opted for Xlerator."

Hello Matt mmc: 
Really!  Sorry to see you print this.  Why?  Not knowing why customers, let alone icons of the UK, by-pass dyson on its own turf and choose a competitor's product, is very very bad for dyson business.  Your job, pardon me for telling you, is to know why and keep it from happening again in the future.  Shame on you.  Shame on dyson.
Carmine D.
This message was modified Nov 22, 2008 by CarmineD
DysonInventsBig


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Re: Dyson AirBlade
Reply #47   Nov 22, 2008 4:54 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Hello DIB:

Thanks for the flattery.  I am not an Xlerator anything save a very satisfied and impressed user.  Once we cut through all the chafe [read dyson sales spin] it is crystal clear, even to a six year old, that the Xlerator's features and specs beat your brand.  Add XLerattor's lower price, smaller size, less weight, 48 years of business in the industry, and 16,000 LFM air velocity [What is dyson's Airblade?] and Xlerator blows Airblade out of the water. 

I don't care about Xlerator's profits.  You must remember DIB that for me, money is never the best and final measure of success.  

Carmine D.


Hello Carmine,

Your judging the Dyson (fill in the blank) ______________ product with the usual anti-Dyson bias. With regards to the Dyson Airblade, you're convinced the average man or woman prefers public restroom hand dryers that blow fecal bacteria at high rate of speed versus the [HEPA] cleaned air Airblade.

Re: Making money
Your quite impressed when Bill Gates uses his profits from predatory and monopolistic practices to finance his so-call “selfless giving".  You go as far as posting the dollar amount of this “selflessness”.

DIB


CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Dyson AirBlade
Reply #48   Nov 22, 2008 5:00 pm
Hi DIB:

Contrare Mein Herr.  You judge dyson with your pro-dyson bias.  I use the merits of the products: Specs and features.  Price and performance. 

You must remember DIB, I only use the money measure when you do!  To respond in kind to you.  Forbes' Gates vice Forbes' Dyson.  Your primary standard of success as posted here:  Dyson's billions; Dyson's Engineering school costs; Airblade's profits...ad nauseum.  You, sir not me.  

All the while I keep saying to you, it's not about the money.  Never should money be used as the best and final measure of a man/company's business success.  Much too shallow and meaningless a measure.

Carmine D. 

This message was modified Nov 22, 2008 by CarmineD
CarmineD


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Re: Dyson AirBlade
Reply #49   Nov 23, 2008 7:38 am
mole wrote:

And for the record,would the person getting his hands dryed by the airblade,run out and tell his friends and family [WOW WHAT A GREAT HAND DRYER THAT DYSON IS] I'LL BET THEY DON'T.

MOLE



I'll bet you're right MOLE.  Based on personal observation, most male restroom patrons have the same philosophy expressed so well here by HARDSELL:

HARDSELL wrote:

 

I seldom use those things [hand dryers].  I wash my privates each morning so no need to wash my hands each time I visit the toilet.

I suspect even them there who don't wash their privates regularly follow HS's philosophy.  Probably many more than we believe.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

To be pelted by fecal bacteria or not...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLu-Fx1Hjio

The problem with Youtube videos is that there is no independent objective vetting and verification of the information and demonstrations.  It's not like there is a "snopes" for youtube.  The credibility of the youtube videos is dependent on the integrity and/or intentions and motives of the source.  Dyson is the source so this video puts a dyson sales spin on the Airblade presentation. 

You must remember DIB, that restroom patrons care less about the "wow factor" of the necessities in the toilet facilities.  As long as the needed amenities are there to use, if the patron is inclined, [and I'm estimating that 1 out of 2 males follow HARDSELL's philosphy] that's all they care.  Which is both HARDSELL and MOLE's point.  Tho, HS uses sarcasm very bitingly, as he usually does, to defuse my enthusiasm for the XLerator's performance.  [Dah, it's a hand dryer!]  

HARDSELL wrote:

This is exciting Carmine.  We have had those hand dryers in TN for some time.  Good to know that the west is catching up with us red necks. 

Of course, HS's personal and professional dyson leanings soon turned his comments here very serious as did the discussions when Matt mmc Airblade entered the foray.  Thanks to your [DIB] petition for professional help.  He's here at dyson's beck and call.

Patrons don't buy hand dryers for their homes, like they do their vacuums, and personally use them in their homes.  Patrons expect that the management will provide practical products to serve restroom purposes.  Paper, towels etc.  The push now for going green is with hand dryers.  If a standard $700 model works fine and has for over 48 years, why spend $1400 on a new notioned one?  Because dyson says so?  Yeah, right.  How's that working for dyson?  Not too well.   [Which is MOLE, Venson's point.  And HS's point too:  "We have had those hand dryers in TN for some time.  Good to know that the west is catching up with us red necks".  Can we expect a Youtube dyson 'fecal sequel?'   Here's a novel thought:  Use the extra bucks saved on the Xlerator on the "wow factor" amenities, not the room for nature calls.  Common business sense.  Even a 6 year old can figure it out.

The best way to promote hygiene among the male patrons, save a sanitary expert from the NSF to police the restroom patrons  [ NSF is probably the reason for the 18 percent increase in new dyson hires in 2008.  A wholly owned subsidiary of dyson to define and measure standards for clean dry hands],  is to have a gorgeous female cocktail waitress skantily clad, meet and greet men on their way in and out.  It would get mens' attention and make them aware of their personal hygiene habits.  Knowing that this babe is there watching them.   Sort of like having your Mother tell you when you were a kid to wash your hands after going.  Only alot more sexy!  Tho, some like HS, would still not bother.

Carmine D.

This message was modified Nov 24, 2008 by CarmineD
DysonInventsBig


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Re: Dyson AirBlade
Reply #50   Nov 24, 2008 8:49 pm
M00seUK wrote:
Any certainties at this stage on a v2? By the way, the model numbers previously seen  AB01, AB02, AB03 appear to related to different models of the original for different regions.



Moose,
I may of misspoke of a newer/smaller Airblade patent pending (Europe).  I honestly cannot remember if I saw this or if it was Mitsubishi making a smaller hand dryer (smaller than the Jet Towel).

DIB
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CarmineD


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Points: 5894

Re: Dyson AirBlade
Reply #51   Mar 7, 2009 8:00 am
My dear Wife and I were invited to a VIP opening of the new TARGET store in N. Las Vegas one evening this week.  With retailers tanking, we were surprised by the opening, which apparently was approved even before the highway was built with on off access road [just completed].  Beautiful store.  Excellent store staff.  STARBUCKS and PIZZA HUT inside too.  Absoluetly customer friendly.  We returned after a few days and were recognized by many of the store staff.  Grand Opening is officially tomorrow. 

Bathrooms are luxurious.  Comparable to those in the new LAs Vegas casino/hotels.  Hand dryers?  Absolutely.  Brand?  XLERATOR.  Sorry, no Air Blades.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454

Re: Dyson AirBlade
Reply #52   Mar 8, 2009 9:31 pm
CarmineD wrote:
My dear Wife and I were invited to a VIP opening of the new TARGET store in N. Las Vegas one evening this week.  With retailers tanking, we were surprised by the opening, which apparently was approved even before the highway was built with on off access road [just completed].  Beautiful store.  Excellent store staff.  STARBUCKS and PIZZA HUT inside too.  Absoluetly customer friendly.  We returned after a few days and were recognized by many of the store staff.  Grand Opening is officially tomorrow. 

Bathrooms are luxurious.  Comparable to those in the new LAs Vegas casino/hotels.  Hand dryers?  Absolutely.  Brand?  XLERATOR.  Sorry, no Air Blades.

Carmine D.


I am glad to hear of American ingenuity and manufacturing doing well (it seems).  I do think the Airblade can and should be simplified into a less expensive and functionally better consumer product.
DIB
This message was modified Mar 9, 2009 by DysonInventsBig



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