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Acerone


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Dyson AirBlade
Original Message   Dec 12, 2007 5:44 am
Saw the Dyson Airblade commercial for the first time last night. Anyone else seen it yet?
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HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: Dyson AirBlade
Reply #31   Nov 21, 2008 10:45 pm
CarmineD wrote:

You quoted only the run down data to put the better spin on your product.  As I would expect from a paid dyson employee who sells Airblades nowadays.  Or are you back in the vacuum trenches?

Did an independent lab provide the info that you posted about teh Xlerator.  If not we should also consider it to be a spin.

For example where did you come up with 19 seconds.  Absolutely bogus.  Meaningless.  The Xlerator runs up to 35 seconds and dries hands from 10-12 seconds, just like yours.  However, Xlerator is sensor activator for on/off by hand motion.  Gives the edge to Xlerator, not your brand.

How did you determine the 19 second run to be bogus?  Have you used the Airblade and timed it?  Why does the Xlerator run for 35 seconds when it dries in 15 seconds (per your report).

No microbacterial covering is needed on the Xlerator because unlike the Airblade it doesn't accumulate well waste from the hand washing/drying.   Advantage to Xcelerator.  You mention the NSF approval for Airblade but missed citing the Leeds seal and credits for the Xlerator and Greenspec approval.   Seems a wash to me.  The Xlerator is smaller, lighter, more versatile to mount in conventional public restrooms.  How about yours?  Bigger.  Heavier.  Needs more wall mounting space.  Advanatge to Xlerator. 

Sounds like the bacteria hits the floor or what ever is under the Xlerator whereas the Dyson confines it.  Toilet walls should be sturdy enough to support either brand and mounting space should not be an issue.

I'm not a paid Xlerator pro so I may have missed some of the technical strengths of the Xlerator and weaknesses of your brand in the industry.  My expertise is vacuums.  Want to go one on one with your brand against another vacuum brand?  I'm your man.  Let me know.  I'm always ready.  Never duck and hide. 

Your credentials are not so good.  You told us how Hoover would slay Dyson.  Do you remember which failed.  I will give you a hint.  You swithched to Oreck very quickly after Hoover sunk.  Now Oreck is the best of all per you.  When it failed to be sub par on your list of requirements to be considered an industry standard you quickly stated that it was not a full size vac and was exempt from those standards.  That is DUCKING.  I always heard that you never ducked (too slow) and never hit.  Except the canvas on your back.

Any reason Westminster Abbey and Wembly Stadium opted for Xlerator rather than your brand?  can't be the warranty.  Both are 5 years.  Was it price?  Is yours still going for $1400 per.  More than the Xlerator?

Maybe the next new casino will simply stand you in the toilet and dry hands naturally, with all the hot air that you spew.

Carmine D.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Dyson AirBlade
Reply #32   Nov 22, 2008 3:40 am
Hello HARDSELL:

Sounds like the Xlerator has gotten you excited.  Let me do some research and get back to you.  Remember I'm not a paid hand dyer pro like Airblade.

BTW, I'm currently using two HOOVER TEMPO-s.  Decided to give my ORECK a well deserved rest for a few weeks after 20 months of daily use and devouring sand.  Taking it out of service.  Why?  I'm going to take it all apart and count the 30 components that it uses.  Trust but verify. 

The $56 and $70 TEMPO-s are doing very well, just like the $150 ORECK does.  Didn't plan on buying two.  But couldn't resist the low price.  The HOOVER TEMPO-s are impressive on my looped wool Mohawk medium pile carpets and berber area rugs.  Two carpet venues that are very problematic for your fave brand.  Consumer Reports is absolutely correct by declaring HOOVER TEMPO a BEST BUY and ranking in the top ten.  I wholeheartedly agree.

Carmine D.

This message was modified Nov 22, 2008 by CarmineD
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Dyson AirBlade
Reply #33   Nov 22, 2008 7:23 am
Here's the low down.  
  • You know I used the Xlerator.  It got the restroom contract at the new casino/hotel in North Las Vegas. 
  • Xlerator took only 10 seconds for drying my hands.  Remember the birthday song.  This equals the Airblade time, which I haven't used, but presume dyson's claim is true.  M00seUK agrees the Xlerator is a powerful unit.   I supect it's due to the air velocity of the Xlerator: 16,000 linear feet per minute at the opening.  What is dyson's?
  • Xlerator's max run time is 35 seconds.  It's called a lockout feature.  What is dyson's?  Xlerator automatically shuts off  after 35 secs if hands are not removed.  I presume the 35 seconds is for them there from your neck of woods who like to bathe in public toilets.  [So they don't use up all the toilet paper]. 
  • Since the Xlerator gets your hands clean after drying, it must do the same for the sink counters and mirrors.  It's undried hands and surfaces, like the deep well in the Airblade, that are bacterial prone, and in need of anti-bacterial covering and cleaning.
  • Don't know why a HEPA filter is needed on anything except a vacuum/air cleaner.  Another case of dyson overengineering.  Like putting b-a-l-l-s on vacuums for wheels.  Gets a notion and voila: It's everywhere. 
  • NSF:  Non-sufficient funds.  Which is what customers get when they buy your overpriced products! 
  • On-site service.  Not a problem with a company that leads the industry for 48 years.  Is a big problem for a novice company with less than 2 years in the idustry.

I have to conclude that Airblade didn't get the sales contracts in the UK/LV because the Xlerator's price and performance flatly out-smoked it.   Left it blowing in the wind.  Especially with Xlerator's smaller weight and size and easier mounting.   Maybe Airblade will come in a slim/lightweight version?  Or perhaps hire more sexy reps?   The housewives didn't work out.  Didn't have any industry knowledge and experience.

What's that sound?  Calling Matt mmc Airblade.  I hear that loud sucking sound.  HARDSELL just fell in the hole with DIB.  Quick!  Toss them some dyson refurbs for floatation devices.  Careful, don't fall in yourself.

Carmine D.

This message was modified Nov 22, 2008 by CarmineD
mole


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Location: earth
Joined: Sep 30, 2007
Points: 783

Re: Dyson AirBlade
Reply #34   Nov 22, 2008 7:52 am
How much longer is the airblade going to be staying in lineup?

Is it paying off yet, is it worth the effort,is the price causing lackluster sales, are there anymore WORK ORDERS for production and how many units are dead on the warewhouse shelves, I see a sell off coming,

LOWER THE PRICE AND COMPETE WITH THE OTHERS OR ITS GOING THE ROUTE OF THE WASHING MACHINE.

MOLE
Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900

Re: Dyson AirBlade
Reply #35   Nov 22, 2008 8:12 am
Good morning MOLE,

You're right. Why would a business minded contractor or owner of a large venue pay a $1,400 when he can get adequate, if not comparable results from a machine that runs at $800 or even less depending on vendor or quantity ordered? It also appears that the Airblade is not being picked up by many vendors. However, please don't take my word for this. See the following links:

http://www.nextag.com/Xlerator/search-html

http://www.nextag.com/dyson-airblade/compare-html

Best,

Venson
This message was modified Nov 22, 2008 by Venson
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Dyson AirBlade
Reply #36   Nov 22, 2008 8:14 am
Hello MOLE, Venson:

After several years of trying, the dyson campers still can't find an appliance/market for users of the brushless motor.   Like dyson's contra rotating washer, these inventions bleed real hard for their creators.  Tho, the current economy will certainly speed the company's business cycle along, like it or not.  Recessions [some say depression] force out overpriced brands and products.  Sadly, in such times there are no buyers for these fledgling products and businesses.  They die a painful and slow death. 

Awhile ago I suggested on this thread that dyson divest itself of the hand dryers and focus time/resources on vacuums, its core business. 

CarmineD wrote April 5, 2008: 

In the economic conditions dyson will face in the years ahead, he can't afford to hold onto the airblade.  Why?  Let's look at the facts:  It's going on 2 years old.  It costs $840 per unit to produce.  Sells for $1400.  Dyson sold 100,000 units.  Sales are $140,000,000.  Costs $84,000,000.  Profit is $56,000,000.  Not accounting for the 1000 units given away at a cost of $840,000.  On vacuum sales of $4 Billion [estimate for 2007] worldwide annually, who needs the headaches of an added $28 Million a year on a totally unrelated product. 
Divest.  Sell the airblade off to a company which is in the business of restroom facility products.  Cut future airblade losses.  Concentrate on vacuum sales to make up the $28 Million generated per year on the airblades. 

Now, it's probably too late.

Carmine D.

This message was modified Nov 22, 2008 by CarmineD
mole


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Re: Dyson AirBlade
Reply #37   Nov 22, 2008 9:21 am
Hi Venson, Carmine.

Quite true, this product has seen limited air time, It only appeals to a certain group of people in the building and construction industry, And everything that Venson says comes true, its all about the bottom line,project overuns are very costly to the owners and the contractors. Please explain to me why i should have a airblade at twice the cost of the other offerings, please justify the double the costs to me,what is their comeback[because dyson SMOKES the competition] oh sure i'll buy it just because you said so.

And for the record,would the person getting his hands dryed by the airblade,run out and tell his friends and family [WOW WHAT A GREAT HAND DRYER THAT DYSON IS] I'LL BET THEY DONT.

Can anyone think of any other dyson vacuum that has any success thats not heavily promoted.I cant, not at least since the dc07..........

crikets!!!!!!!!

MOLE

Airblade


Joined: Jul 25, 2007
Points: 180

Re: Dyson AirBlade
Reply #38   Nov 22, 2008 10:27 am
CarmineD wrote:
Nice to see you bail out your dyson buddies here.  The dyson man himself to the rescue.

You quoted only the run down data to put the better spin on your product.  As I would expect from a paid dyson employee who sells Airblades nowadays.  Or are you back in the vacuum trenches?

Still drying hands.......

For example where did you come up with 19 seconds.  Absolutely bogus.  Meaningless.  The Xlerator runs up to 35 seconds and dries hands from 10-12 seconds, just like yours.  However, Xlerator is sensor activator for on/off by hand motion.  Gives the edge to Xlerator, not your brand.

The problem here is how do we define dry?  Manufacturers have different definitions of dry hands.  Most companies measure to .3 grams of water remaining on hands, but the National Sanitary Foundation measures to .1 grams of water, a dryer standard.  A COMMON STANDARD HAS BEEN DEVELOPED WHICH WAS NEVER THERE BEFORE.  My numbers come from this standard of testing and are definitely not meaningless and bogus.  BTW, Airblade shuts off after 30 seconds and Airblade is also sensor activated (touchfree)

No microbacterial covering is needed on the Xlerator because unlike the Airblade it doesn't accumulate well waste from the hand washing/drying.   Advantage to Xcelerator.  You mention the NSF approval for Airblade but missed citing the Leeds seal and credits for the Xlerator and Greenspec approval.   Seems a wash to me.  The Xlerator is smaller, lighter, more versatile to mount in conventional public restrooms.  How about yours?  Bigger.  Heavier.  Needs more wall mounting space.  Advanatge to Xlerator. 

There is no water collection method in the Airblade, so you are incorrect here.  Antimicrobial is included in case the machine is touched.  I didn't mention a difference in Leeds and Greenspec, because there is none.  Both machines contribute towards Leeds credits and both are Greenspec listed, as well as Green Restaurant Association approved.  Yes, the Airblade is bigger and heavier.  Being bigger does sometimes lead to mounting issus, but weight is not an issue.

I'm not a paid Xlerator pro so I may have missed some of the technical strengths of the Xlerator and weaknesses of your brand in the industry.  My expertise is vacuums.  Want to go one on one with your brand against another vacuum brand?  I'm your man.  Let me know.  I'm always ready.  Never duck and hide. 

Any reason Westminster Abbey and Wembly Stadium opted for Xlerator rather than your brand?  can't be the warranty.  Both are 5 years.  Was it price?  Is yours still going for $1400 per.  More than the Xlerator?

I have no idea why those two places opted for Xlerator.  Yes, Airblade is more expensive than the Xlerator, and the difference varies case by case.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454

Re: Dyson AirBlade
Reply #39   Nov 22, 2008 10:57 am
CarmineD wrote:
Hello MOLE, Venson:

After several years of trying, the dyson campers still can't find an appliance/market for users of the brushless motor.   Like dyson's contra rotating washer, these inventions bleed real hard for their creators.  Tho, the current economy will certainly speed the company's business cycle along, like it or not.  Recessions [some say depression] force out overpriced brands and products.  Sadly, in such times there are no buyers for these fledgling products and businesses.  They die a painful and slow death. 

Awhile ago I suggested on this thread that dyson divest itself of the hand dryers and focus time/resources on vacuums, its core business. 

 

In the economic conditions dyson will face in the years ahead, he can't afford to hold onto the airblade.  Why?  Let's look at the facts:  It's going on 2 years old.  It costs $840 per unit to produce.  Sells for $1400.  Dyson sold 100,000 units.  Sales are $140,000,000.  Costs $84,000,000.  Profit is $56,000,000.  Not accounting for the 1000 units given away at a cost of $840,000.  On vacuum sales of $4 Billion [estimate for 2007] worldwide annually, who needs the headaches of an added $28 Million a year on a totally unrelated product. 
Divest.  Sell the airblade off to a company which is in the business of restroom facility products.  Cut future airblade losses.  Concentrate on vacuum sales to make up the $28 Million generated per year on the airblades. 

Now, it's probably too late.

Carmine D.


Shutting the doors down to a $28m [net] profit stream and brand is brilliant!     Surely you would also recommend shutting down all development on the newer, smaller, and cheaper Dyson hand dryer (Airblade v.2 ?) that is patent pending.

DIB
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DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454

Re: Dyson AirBlade
Reply #40   Nov 22, 2008 11:30 am
To be pelted by fecal bacteria or not...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLu-Fx1Hjio
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