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Saw the Dyson Airblade commercial for the first time last night. Anyone else seen it yet?

CarmineD wrote: Carmine,

 I support American manufacturing big time and so I support this manufacturer!   Certainly this hand dryer looks to be economical for businesses to purchase and/or maintain, but it in no way touts proprietary innovations that other competing manufacturers must have. Certainly it wins “Innovation” awards for saving electricity and   being “first to market”.  In terms of [utility] patentable inventions and features the Dyson Airblade flat-out smokes this machine.

DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hello DIB:

How so? Here are the features and specs of the Xlerator.  Care to be specific on the specs/features that the Airblade "flat-out smokes" the Xlerator?  Or are you just being your typical own self for a different day with the same old dyson say: How great thou art James? 

Carmine D.

FEATURES   • Dries Hands Completely in 10 to 15 Seconds • Uses 80% Less Energy  • 95% Cost Savings vs. Paper Towels • GREENSPEC® Approved and Helps Qualify for  LEED® credits. • Source Reduction Alternative • Promotes Hygiene           SPECIFICATIONS Dimensions: 11 3/4" LG. X 12 11/16" HIGH X 6 11/16" DEEP (298 MM LG. X 322 MM HIGH X 170 MM DEEP) Weight:16 LBS. (7.3 KGS.) Construction Hand dryer cover shall be a one-piece, heavy-duty, rib-reinforced, die-cast zinc alloy. It shall be lightweight, unbreakable, rustproof and all exposed surfaces shall be bright chrome plated or finished with chip-proof, electrostatically applied epoxy paint and fastened to a wall plate by two chrome plated tamper-proof bolts.   Hand dryer wall plate shall be equipped with (3) 7/8" (22 mm) diameter holes, one of which shall be suitable for use with surface conduit, for ease of wiring.   All internal hand dryer parts shall be coated according to Underwriters' Laboratories, Inc. requirements.   Entire mechanism shall be internally grounded. Mechanism Hand dryer motor shall be a series commutated through-flow discharge vacuum motor/blower (5/8 HP / 20,000 RPM) which provides air velocity of 16,000 LFM (linear feet per minute) at the air outlet and 14,000 LFM at the hands (4 inches [102 mm] below air outlet).   Hand dryer heating element (900 W) is constructed of Nichrome wire and mounted inside the blower housing, thereby being vandal proof. It shall be protected by an automatic resetting thermostat, which shall open whenever air flow is cut off and shall close when flow of air is resumed. It shall produce an air temperature of up to 135°F (57°C) at a 72°F (22°C) ambient room temperature at the hands (4 inches [102 mm] below air outlet).   Hand dryer Control assembly is activated by an infrared optical sensor located next to the air outlet. The dryer shall operate as long as hands are under the air outlet. There is a 35-second lockout feature if hands are not removed.   Limited Warranty The hand dryer shall be guaranteed to be free from defects for a period of five (5) years. Warranty shall include factory performed labor as well as the repair or exchange of defective parts, at manufacturer's option.

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Hey Carmine,

Airblade himself can talk of the Airblade product much better than I, so maybe he will join the “Is James Dyson and his inventors relevant - debate” in regards to the Airblade product and it’s inventions and benefits.

Smoke or “to smoke the competition” (as I know it) is a racing term to describe how badly the competition is trounced.

DIB

Hello DIB:

Sounds like the only one trounced and out-smoked here is you.  When push comes to shove, you wimp out.   You make grandiose statements about a product, impugn another, and don't have any personal and professional knowledge about either for support.  

What is that huge sucking noise I hear?  Sounds like you're grasping for your your final breath as you sing the last refrain of your favorite song: "How great James art.  How great thou art!"  Just please don't ask why because I don't know!  Oh Matt mmc Airblade......please help me. 

Carmine D. 

OK, Here's the rundown...........................

                                                                     Airblade                                         Xlerator

Electric Consumption                                1400W                                         1500W

Dry Time                                                    12 seconds                               19 seconds
(according to NSF P335)

HEPA filter                                                      yes                                                 no

Anti-microbial                                                yes                                                 no

NSF certified                                                  yes                                                 no

Motor                                    DDM - brushless (81,000 RPM)       Brushed motor - 20,000 RPM

Onsite service                                               yes                                                 no

I do know that the Airblade is quieter as well, but not sure what Xcelrator's db rating is with hands inserted.  Let me know if there are any other differences you'd like to know.  Always here to help!!! 

Nice to see you bail out your dyson buddies here.  The dyson man himself to the rescue.

You quoted only the run down data to put the better spin on your product.  As I would expect from a paid dyson employee who sells Airblades nowadays.  Or are you back in the vacuum trenches?

For example where did you come up with 19 seconds.  Absolutely bogus.  Meaningless.  The Xlerator runs up to 35 seconds and dries hands from 10-12 seconds, just like yours.  However, Xlerator is sensor activator for on/off by hand motion.  Gives the edge to Xlerator, not your brand.

No microbacterial covering is needed on the Xlerator because unlike the Airblade it doesn't accumulate well waste from the hand washing/drying.   Advantage to Xcelerator.  You mention the NSF approval for Airblade but missed citing the Leeds seal and credits for the Xlerator and Greenspec approval.   Seems a wash to me.  The Xlerator is smaller, lighter, more versatile to mount in conventional public restrooms.  How about yours?  Bigger.  Heavier.  Needs more wall mounting space.  Advanatge to Xlerator. 

I'm not a paid Xlerator pro so I may have missed some of the technical strengths of the Xlerator and weaknesses of your brand in the industry.  My expertise is vacuums.  Want to go one on one with your brand against another vacuum brand?  I'm your man.  Let me know.  I'm always ready.  Never duck and hide. 

Any reason Westminster Abbey and Wembly Stadium opted for Xlerator rather than your brand?  can't be the warranty.  Both are 5 years.  Was it price?  Is yours still going for $1400 per.  More than the Xlerator?

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
I'm sorry, I'm missing the point here - what are you meaning?

You didn't miss the point.  You made a bogus point of 19 seconds for drying time.  Xlerator dries hands in 10-15 seconds just like your brand.    You know that as well as I do.  Come on Matt.  If your product is truly better, "flat outsmokes" the Xlerator according to DIB, there's no need to falsify claims and impugn the competition.  Lest you try to bolster your brand.  Be honest.  Stand on the facts and merits.  Not the sales spin.  Nothing you provided remotely says Airblade is better than Xlerator.  Just the opposite.  Xlerator is the industry leader and has been for 48 years and upstaged dyson on its own turf.  Shame on you.  Couldn't even make the dyson sale at Westminster Abbey and Wembly Stadium! 

What else do you have to offer to bail out your dyson buddy from talking snap?  So far you just let him sink deeper into a hole of his own making.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Hello HARDSELL:

Sounds like the Xlerator has gotten you excited.  Let me do some research and get back to you.  Remember I'm not a paid hand dyer pro like Airblade.

BTW, I'm currently using two HOOVER TEMPO-s.  Decided to give my ORECK a well deserved rest for a few weeks after 20 months of daily use and devouring sand.  Taking it out of service.  Why?  I'm going to take it all apart and count the 30 components that it uses.  Trust but verify. 

The $56 and $70 TEMPO-s are doing very well, just like the $150 ORECK does.  Didn't plan on buying two.  But couldn't resist the low price.  The HOOVER TEMPO-s are impressive on my looped wool Mohawk medium pile carpets and berber area rugs.  Two carpet venues that are very problematic for your fave brand.  Consumer Reports is absolutely correct by declaring HOOVER TEMPO a BEST BUY and ranking in the top ten.  I wholeheartedly agree.

Carmine D.