Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Dyson is in the news frequently and so a dedicated thread.

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CarmineD wrote:
Hey Carmine,

The concept is pretty simple to understand...  the world craves innovations that make life better.  Dyson is the kind of fella that delivers such innovations, certainly not all his ideas are winners and he is in good company...  many prolific inventors of past believed in stinkers too.  I do put innovation in a place of prominence (pedestal if you prefer) and not humans.  I do applaud and laugh when Dyson walks into a 100 year old industry and turns it upside down do the NIH/"Not Invented Here" beliefs of vacuum manufacturing Suits.  Like I said in the past the "NIH Suits" give license for Dyson to print money even if it is a paltry $25m annually or as high as $124m annually. What do you think David Oreck or Mark Bissell profit off their namesakes? Certainly nothing like what Dyson does. Between Oreck and Bissell there's 200 years of vacuum manufacturing, certainly and in the spirit of fairness it's time for you to throw rocks at these guys too. - Start with Oreck, since he is the biggest American vacuum manufacturer-whiner of Dyson.

DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hi DIB:

I know the concept is fairly simple for me to grasp.  I can't speak for others.  I ask questions [not throwing rocks as you call it].  Like this one: "When all the global economies are at their worse levels in over 70 years, and all the largest/oldest companies in business are reducing costs/cutting employees to steer the ship and stay afloat, how does dyson increase new hires by 18 percent?"  

You're absolutely right.  Somebody here doesn't grasp the simple business concept.  Who do you think it is?  James and dyson and/or all the rest of the peoples, countries, and companies around the world?

ORECK and BISSELL are two of the oldest and longest surviving vacuum companies in the industry.  Some say that BISSELL, with its carpet sweepers, started the vacuum industry.  And ORECK has 45 years of cornering the market with lightweight uprights.  [And a few imitators trying to capitalize on the concept].  With ORECK's dominance in the hotel and motel cleaning industry,  it has earned a well deserved reputation for business success.  Far be it for me to throw rocks at these industry stalwarts.  I'll leave that for others to do, who may not grasp the concept of business success.  

BTW, KOHL's is now selling the new BISSELL Versus in its stores.  KOHL's bills it as the first vacuum that uses "V head nozzle technology."  Or something to that effect.  And KOHL's has the Dirt Devil AccuCharge stick vacuum.  In case you are interested.  I think both will sell well in these economic times in this venue.  In fact at the affordable prices, customers may substitute these vacuum purchases for more expensive full size vacuums.  That is, customers who grasp the concept.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote: Hello,

Because many can and do run smooth, respectable operations daily, I find substituting Oreck's reputation for innovation a poor excuse.  Oreck needs to quit whining of Dyson and out-innovate him and advertise that and not the blathering Dyson whining which Oreck dedicates much advertising/marketing to.

Dyson runs a smooth, respectable operation also (despite what his enemies say) and brings to market new innovations vice Oreck, who sells tired product (vacuums) or tired product with lipstick - i.e. the XL Platinum.

 To speculate of new hires and/or manufacturing expansion or tooling... it is obvious Mr. Dyson wants to reintroduce or introduce for the first time a new washing machine and certainly a dryer (for those countries who use dryers). Perhaps this is what he is doing, I hope so.  I have no opinion of timing, yet certainly if a washer and dryer can be innovated radically better (made more economical to run/green) perhaps now or in the near future will be a good time gear up and launch such products.

DIB

Hello DIB:

Most persons look kindly and favorably on buying/using affordably priced practical products made by companies with 45/100 years of history in an industry. 

Much more than they do with "innovation" and "steerability" as reasons [excuses] for justifying past/future expenditures on overpriced products.  All in an effort to charge more for fair to average performance disguised with spiffy colors and see-thru dirt bins.  Especially in hard economic times:  Consumers want practical affordable products to use.  Not ones that are pricey, pretty, and look like fun to use. 

Carmine D.  

M00seUK wrote:
Here is another patent app on the same appliance (dual hopper/coffee grinder/brewer).  INGREDIENT DISPENSING APPARATUS

http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.html&r=1&p=1&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&S1=dyson.AS.&OS=an/dyson&RS=AN/dyson

Here is all (I believe) Dyson U.S. patent pending's...

http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.html&r=0&p=1&f=S&l=50&Query=an%2Fdyson&d=PG01

A wine chiller: (Refrigerating apparatus)


DIB

mole wrote:
dusty wrote:
Dusty,
I have been meaning to tell you how impressed I was with this fact (DC23's selling well).  I am not a supporter of Dyson's choice to not makie the hose detachable from the wand.  Obviously your DC23 buyers do not have issue with this.  I was told by a long time dealer that he rarely sees worn brush attachments on canisters when they are brought in for repairs.  I do use the attachments on my DC05 (if and when I use the vac) compared to my DC21 which can be frustrating when on occasion, I want to vac my couch and alike but am forced to use the entire wand with an attachment.

Q:  Do your buyers ever mention/mention much the DC21's/23's inability to disconnect the hose from the wand and is this a detractor for them when deciding weather or not to purchase the Dyson/s?
 
Q:  Can you share your top 2 complaints or reasons folks do not choose a Dyson over your other vacuums?


Thank you,
DIB

Dyson guys...

Here is a nice article:  http://inventorsdigest.com/6_08/6_08.aspx

CarmineD wrote: Hello,

Because many can and do run smooth, respectable operations daily, I find substituting Oreck's reputation for innovation a poor excuse.  Oreck needs to quit whining (much marketing dedicated) of Dyson and out-innovate him and advertise that.

Dyson runs a smooth, respectable operation also (despite what his enemies say) and brings to market new innovations vice Oreck, who sells tired product (vacuums) or tired product with lipstick - i.e. the XL Platinum.

 To speculate of new hires and/or manufacturing expansion or tooling... it is obvious Mr. Dyson wants to reintroduce or introduce for the first time a new washing machine and certainly a dryer (for those countries who use dryers). Perhaps this is what he is doing, I hope so.  I have no opinion of timing, yet certainly if a washer and dryer can be innovated radically better (made more economical to run/green) perhaps now or in the near future will be a good time gear up and launch such products.

DIB

CarmineD wrote:
Hi Carmine,

I trust you and yours had a nice Thanksgiving.

I was wondering if you (or anyone) could explain the Oreck discrepancies? - That is, it is common knowledge the appliance basic design is decades old and yet Oreck Canada claims - “Always on the cutting edge of product innovation...”  So where are these cutting edge (vacuum) innovations?  I could not find any info on Oreck's sites that promotes building "affordably priced practical products", only vacuums selling for $300 to $600-*$700 and touted as “Always on the cutting edge of product innovation.”

https://www.oreckcanada.com/estore/xl_deluxe_reconditioned.asp

Thanks,
DIB

*($700 prior to economic slow-down)

Hello DIB:

Thanksgiving was wonderful.  A day to give thanks to God, who alone is our hope.

Our Moderator likes to say:  What's old is new again!  I like to say:  What's old is cool again!  Like ORECK!

I posted more details on the ORECK thread.  Wouldn't want to diminish the value of your favorite inventor, his products, and all his newsworthy escapades here with ORECK praise.  BTW, say hello from me when you meet with him/cronies about your 2008 bonus.  Slim pickens this year.  With all the new hires, salary/dividends cuts, and the worse economic conditions the world has seen in over a half century, bonus money is non-existent. 

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:

Hello HARDSELL:

I brought this over from the ORECK thread, if you don't mind, because it belongs here not there.

I am not pro-dyson tho I wholeheartedly agree with you, a self-proclaimed fan, that dysons are overpriced, overengineered and overrated.  Much to the chagrin of a huge dyson fan I say dyson should focus on its core vacuum business and divest the others.  Others here have made the point that dyson has to constantly overengineer and add new technologies to keep product prices inflated.   

You add that all vacuums over $200 are overpriced in your opinion.  I agree for dyson.  Its price range should be $150-$250 among retail store venues, not $399-$599.  Sadly, dyson can't afford to sell vacuums at these lower price points.  If it did, it would probably lose the big box retail stores' business and go bust.  Even if it didn't, it wouldn't be able to finance its other efforts.  Unfortunately, with the current economic times, big box retailers are finding vacuum sales at $400-$500 are a HARDSELL.

Carmine D.