Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Dyson is in the news frequently and so a dedicated thread.

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Hello HARDSELL:

I still own and use my ORECK XL Classic and plan to upgrade!  You cashed out your free dyson refurb, haven't bought a new dyson ...............................

The HOOVER WT cleaned/groomed my rugs the best.  The ORECK is a very close second.  BTW, the HOOVER TEMPO for $70 matches the HOOVER WT performance in just about all respects save weight/bulk.  It's lighter and less bulky than the WT.  Nice vacuum for the price and duly impressed.  I notice more retailers with HOOVER TEMPO models in their own exclusive colors too.  Must be a sign of the hard economic times and falling vacuum sales.  Looking forward to NPD numbers.  I suspect vacuum sales will be down again in 2008.  Second straight year in a row if it happens.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,  did you have to retract what you said about Honda sales exceeding Toyota?  Seems that Toyota sold about 60% more cars in Oct. 08.  Honda is down 25% YTD vs 23% for Toyota.

I know how you like to discuss market share.  Toyota has 18.1 and Honda 10.2 %

Canada reported 1.7% increase in auto sales for Oct.  Toyota up 9.4 % from a year earlier and Honda up 1%.

Could it be that you are also wring on Dyson sales?    

Hello HARDSELL/Dusty:

You're right HS,  I like to look at market share and stock prices.  But I prefer trends over time.  One month, one quarter, one year doesn't make a meaningful business trend.  It took the oligopoly almost 40 years to get to where it is today.  Same same for sales of vehicles and vacuums. 

I did not post a Review on the DC07 pink here.  I suspect if I were to do so, mine would bring the star rating down.  I do not Review any vacuum products here on this Site that I dislike.  However, when I'm asked and/or I read a post that I agree/disagree with about a certain product, I will post here on the Discussions.  If that's trashing a product, so be it.  Mea culpa.  I prefer to say I offer constructive criticism with charity.  Why?  My star ratings [if fair/poor] don't get tallied in the overall product score, which most readers see and use for comparative purposes.  And as you said HS my opinion counts the same as others.  NO more, no less.  Like my vote today!

To date, I've only posted Reviews here of vacuum products that I buy, use and like.   I will probably continue that practice.  Unfortunately, I haven't liked any of the dyson products to date enough to post a Review here. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

In your original statement that you hastily edited you said that Honda sales were exceeding Toyota's.  Now that I have presented accurate facts you want to do the toilet dance.  Sales are lagging and Toyota is #2 in the U.S. and # 1 in Japan.  Is this like when you told us that Hoover was poised to overtake Dyson?  If I recall Dyson is still standing and Hoover was bailed out.  I am sure glad that Toyota is not poised to do well if your idea of doing well is the same as it was with Hoover.

I know, reviews are useless       unless they favor your argument.  Don't you think all others know that about you by now?  I haven't liked Oreck any more than you like Dyson. 

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I see that you have already edited the above post also.  This is the original statement (n red).  It took Hoover how long to get where it was and then it failed.

Hello HARDSELL/Dusty:

You're right HS,  I like to look at market share and stock prices.  But I prefer trends over time.  One month, one quarter, one year doesn't make a meaningful business trend.  It took the oligopoly almost 40 years to get to where it is today.  Same same for sales of vehicles and vacuums. 

I did not post a Review on the DC07 pink here.  I suspect if I were to do so, mine would bring the star rating down.  I do not Review any vacuum products here on this Site that I dislike.  However, when I'm asked and/or I read a post that I agree/disagree with about a certain product, I will post here on the Discussions.  If that's trashing a product, so be it.  Mea culpa.  I prefer to say I offer constructive criticism with charity.  Why?  My star ratings [if fair/poor] don't get tallied in the overall product score, which most readers see and use for comparative purposes.  And as you said HS my opinion counts the same as others.  NO more, no less.  Like my vote today!

To date, I've only posted Reviews here of vacuum products that I buy, use and like.   I will probably continue that practice.  Unfortunately, I haven't liked any of the dyson products to date enough to post a Review here. 

Carmine D.

Hello HARDSELL:

Editing is allowable and easy to do.   I do it often.   I try to make posts stay on topic and improve readabilty for all who post here.  Not just the poster[s] to whom I'm addressing/responding, who may be off topic like you.

One of the reasons I bought the new ORECK was you.  While I was never a huge ORECK fan, tho my dear Wife is, I was struck by your consistent negative and impugning comments [and it cost you nothing after you returned it plus you kept the freebies].  I paid for my new dyson DC07 pink from TARGET, it was not a free refurb.  I gifted it away.  The donee is not using for the same reasons I didn't.  I hope it has collectible value in a few years.

So being suspicious of your ORECK motives, when I was confronted with the opportunity to buy a new ORECK for $150, I did.  Liked it so much I bought and gifted 3 more away.  They are equally impressed with their ORECK-s.  I will keep/upgrade my ORECK XL.  I already gifted away my 2 year old HOOVER WT, which I liked, and will gift away HOOVER TEMPO, which I also like, to a needy cause/person on the Holidays.  But the ORECK is a keeper in large part due to you my good friend.  Thanks. 

Will you ever buy yourself a new dyson?  Now is the time.  Sales are lagging.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Once again you spout off with no facts.  I purchased the Oreck air cleaner when I purchased the XL21.  Returned it all including freebie.  I do not even remember what the freebie was.  That should tell you that I had absolutely no desire to own anything named Oreck.

Seems that Dyson is not the only vac lagging in sales or offering deep discounts.  In fact the local stores do not advertise Dyson discounts nor do they have discounts posted in store.

Hello HARDSELL:

Thanks for the info about the ORECK Air Purifier.  I didn't know that factoid.  I'll have to take a closer look at the ORECK purifier now.  I might be in the market.  Is it made in the USA?  

You're not looking hard enough HS but nice to know you're looking.  This week TARGET stores have an advertised sale on the DC24 ball for $399 with a $50 Gift Card withn purchase.  Kohl's has an advertised sale starting tomorrow thru Nov 12 on DC14 and DC17 Animal.  MSRP of $399 and $549 respectively before 10, 15, 20, and/or 30 percent off depending on your mailer.   Just to mention 2 retailers with dyson sales.  Stay tuned.  More to come, I'm sure.  It's not even the Christmas sales season yet. 

Doesn't look like COSTCO will have any dysons on sale for Christmas.  Not sure if they even have them on the shelves anymore.  Like Wal*Mart stores, dysons will be hit or miss.  Probably carry and sell whatever they can get the best deal on from dyson.  New ball models may be on the Web but not in the W*M stores if my source is correct.  Probably DC14 and DC18 models at W*M stores.  These models won't be hot sellers for the Holidays, they're too old.  Those that would buy, bought already.  So they will have to be at really enticing prices.  COSTCO will have the new Electrolux Ergorapido and iRobot Rhooma-s for sale. 

Carmine D. 

CarmineD wrote:

I never opened the air cleaner.  I do know others who have used them and found them to be useless ( typical Oreck) I suppose.

Dysons are abundant in TN. It seems that they just have problems with Dysons where ever you live.  Maybe some day you can have the best. Like in Dyson and Lexus.

Tell us what other vacuums are doomed due to them being on sale.

Re: [Dyson] niche
Dyson is a $1.3 billion revenue making niche.  The most desired and unfortunatly most stolen of all vacuum cleaners niche.  The most copied or reversed engineered of all vacuum technologies niche (in many decades).  The only vacuum manufacturer (in many decades) to create entirely new and rapidly adopted product categories niche's like the 1) clear bin/low with high efficiency cyclonic filtration, 2) steerable’s and 3) hose/wand without the hastle of valve change over.  True, Dyson is not in the many units sold/small margins niche, instead Dyson is a technology creating, technology leading money making monster.        DIB

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