Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Dyson is in the news frequently and so a dedicated thread.

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DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hello DIB and Dusty:

Most, not all, can mean a range anywhere from 51-99.9999999 percent too! 

I not only opened my heart to dyson but also my pocket book: I purchased a DC07 pink [Susan B. Komen edition] from TARGET.  And I was sadly disappointed and underwhelmed with the results.  The gawdawful ratcheting noise scared the bejeepers out my lab.  My dear Wife and dog would leave our house whenever I started to vacuum with the DC07.  Thank goodness the clutch and brushbar shutoff are discontinued/obsolete features. 

I gave the company and vacuum another chance.  And even posted about it here.  The DC24, lightweight.  The latest and greatest.  Scoped it out at TARGET the first week it launched.  With my dear Wife.  The deal breaker for me was the bottom cord hook.  No way for these old bones of mine can touch my toes to wrap the cord.  ;-) 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

CarmineD wrote:

I had a bad experience with oreck as you did with Dyson.  Why does your opinon seem to be the only one that matters?

Hello HARDSELL:

I still own and use my ORECK XL Classic and plan to upgrade!  You cashed out your free dyson refurb, haven't bought a new dyson ...............................

The HOOVER WT cleaned/groomed my rugs the best.  The ORECK is a very close second.  BTW, the HOOVER TEMPO for $70 matches the HOOVER WT performance in just about all respects save weight/bulk.  It's lighter and less bulky than the WT.  Nice vacuum for the price and duly impressed.  I notice more retailers with HOOVER TEMPO models in their own exclusive colors too.  Must be a sign of the hard economic times and falling vacuum sales.  Looking forward to NPD numbers.  I suspect vacuum sales will be down again in 2008.  Second straight year in a row if it happens.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,  did you have to retract what you said about Honda sales exceeding Toyota?  Seems that Toyota sold about 60% more cars in Oct. 08.  Honda is down 25% YTD vs 23% for Toyota.

I know how you like to discuss market share.  Toyota has 18.1 and Honda 10.2 %

Canada reported 1.7% increase in auto sales for Oct.  Toyota up 9.4 % from a year earlier and Honda up 1%.

Could it be that you are also wring on Dyson sales?    

Hello HARDSELL/Dusty:

You're right HS,  I like to look at market share and stock prices.  But I prefer trends over time.  One month, one quarter, one year doesn't make a meaningful business trend.  It took the oligopoly almost 40 years to get to where it is today.  Same same for sales of vehicles and vacuums. 

I did not post a Review on the DC07 pink here.  I suspect if I were to do so, mine would bring the star rating down.  I do not Review any vacuum products here on this Site that I dislike.  However, when I'm asked and/or I read a post that I agree/disagree with about a certain product, I will post here on the Discussions.  If that's trashing a product, so be it.  Mea culpa.  I prefer to say I offer constructive criticism with charity.  Why?  My star ratings [if fair/poor] don't get tallied in the overall product score, which most readers see and use for comparative purposes.  And as you said HS my opinion counts the same as others.  NO more, no less.  Like my vote today!

To date, I've only posted Reviews here of vacuum products that I buy, use and like.   I will probably continue that practice.  Unfortunately, I haven't liked any of the dyson products to date enough to post a Review here. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

In your original statement that you hastily edited you said that Honda sales were exceeding Toyota's.  Now that I have presented accurate facts you want to do the toilet dance.  Sales are lagging and Toyota is #2 in the U.S. and # 1 in Japan.  Is this like when you told us that Hoover was poised to overtake Dyson?  If I recall Dyson is still standing and Hoover was bailed out.  I am sure glad that Toyota is not poised to do well if your idea of doing well is the same as it was with Hoover.

I know, reviews are useless       unless they favor your argument.  Don't you think all others know that about you by now?  I haven't liked Oreck any more than you like Dyson. 

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I see that you have already edited the above post also.  This is the original statement (n red).  It took Hoover how long to get where it was and then it failed.

Hello HARDSELL/Dusty:

You're right HS,  I like to look at market share and stock prices.  But I prefer trends over time.  One month, one quarter, one year doesn't make a meaningful business trend.  It took the oligopoly almost 40 years to get to where it is today.  Same same for sales of vehicles and vacuums. 

I did not post a Review on the DC07 pink here.  I suspect if I were to do so, mine would bring the star rating down.  I do not Review any vacuum products here on this Site that I dislike.  However, when I'm asked and/or I read a post that I agree/disagree with about a certain product, I will post here on the Discussions.  If that's trashing a product, so be it.  Mea culpa.  I prefer to say I offer constructive criticism with charity.  Why?  My star ratings [if fair/poor] don't get tallied in the overall product score, which most readers see and use for comparative purposes.  And as you said HS my opinion counts the same as others.  NO more, no less.  Like my vote today!

To date, I've only posted Reviews here of vacuum products that I buy, use and like.   I will probably continue that practice.  Unfortunately, I haven't liked any of the dyson products to date enough to post a Review here. 

Carmine D.

Hello HARDSELL:

Editing is allowable and easy to do.   I do it often.   I try to make posts stay on topic and improve readabilty for all who post here.  Not just the poster[s] to whom I'm addressing/responding, who may be off topic like you.

One of the reasons I bought the new ORECK was you.  While I was never a huge ORECK fan, tho my dear Wife is, I was struck by your consistent negative and impugning comments [and it cost you nothing after you returned it plus you kept the freebies].  I paid for my new dyson DC07 pink from TARGET, it was not a free refurb.  I gifted it away.  The donee is not using for the same reasons I didn't.  I hope it has collectible value in a few years.

So being suspicious of your ORECK motives, when I was confronted with the opportunity to buy a new ORECK for $150, I did.  Liked it so much I bought and gifted 3 more away.  They are equally impressed with their ORECK-s.  I will keep/upgrade my ORECK XL.  I already gifted away my 2 year old HOOVER WT, which I liked, and will gift away HOOVER TEMPO, which I also like, to a needy cause/person on the Holidays.  But the ORECK is a keeper in large part due to you my good friend.  Thanks. 

Will you ever buy yourself a new dyson?  Now is the time.  Sales are lagging.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Once again you spout off with no facts.  I purchased the Oreck air cleaner when I purchased the XL21.  Returned it all including freebie.  I do not even remember what the freebie was.  That should tell you that I had absolutely no desire to own anything named Oreck.

Seems that Dyson is not the only vac lagging in sales or offering deep discounts.  In fact the local stores do not advertise Dyson discounts nor do they have discounts posted in store.