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DysonInventsBig
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Original Message Jun 28, 2008 12:41 am |
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Dyson is in the news frequently and so a dedicated thread. . 
 
 
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CarmineD
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Reply #304 Nov 3, 2008 6:14 pm |
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How about H.S. should he be added to the list????????????????
MOLE
HI MOLE:
He's a recipient of the new beatitude that I want added: He who praises dyson, shall be gifted a free refurb! Carmine D.
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Reply #305 Nov 3, 2008 6:20 pm |
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The real dyson or the toy dyson ? It probally would not matter they both clean the same. Think he'd know the difference  . MOLE |
dusty
Joined: Feb 8, 2008
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Reply #306 Nov 3, 2008 6:39 pm |
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Wholeheartedly agree Dusty. Like I said: For "MOST" who buy quality bagged vacuums, the yearly cost of bags are not even on the radar screen. Not all buyers.  BTW, glad to hear you say dyson is a niche seller. I've said that since 2002 when it was launched. I don't dislike 'dyson' per se. It's a vacuum. It's a decent bagless, save the ball dyson models and the hand held. But dysons in general are [and have been] overpriced, overrated and overengineered. There are many more much better vacuum choices for the same and/or less price, IMHO. If that is what you mean when you say I dislike dyson product, then you're absolutely right and I agree. I'm guilty of the egregious sin of disliking dyson product. So are many many others. What should I do for penance? Wait: I know. I'll petition the Vatican and the Holy Father and ask that the Canon Law of the Catholic Church be amended to include an 11th Commandment. A new beatitude: Thou shalt love dyson! Carmine D. "Most" could mean 51%. That leaves 49% of buyers thinking twice due to the cost of consumables. More often than not, our customers make bag and filter costs a concern no matter what machine they are buying, especially now that the economy is in the tank. When I say you dislike Dyson, I base this from the amount of posts where you trash the product. You certainly put forth an anti Dyson slant. Not being a religious person I couldn't tell you one way or another if it's a sin not to love Dyson but I'm pretty sure the book says somewhere you get merit points for opening your heart to everybody :-) Dusty
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Reply #307 Nov 4, 2008 7:00 am |
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Come on Carmine, talk vacuums. Hello DIB and Dusty: Most, not all, can mean a range anywhere from 51-99.9999999 percent too! I not only opened my heart to dyson but also my pocket book: I purchased a DC07 pink [Susan B. Komen edition] from TARGET. And I was sadly disappointed and underwhelmed with the results. The gawdawful ratcheting noise scared the bejeepers out my lab. My dear Wife and dog would leave our house whenever I started to vacuum with the DC07. Thank goodness the clutch and brushbar shutoff are discontinued/obsolete features. I gave the company and vacuum another chance. And even posted about it here. The DC24, lightweight. The latest and greatest. Scoped it out at TARGET the first week it launched. With my dear Wife. The deal breaker for me was the bottom cord hook. No way for these old bones of mine can touch my toes to wrap the cord. ;-) Carmine D.
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HARDSELL
Joined: Aug 22, 2007
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Reply #308 Nov 4, 2008 8:11 am |
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Hello HARDSELL: I almost gave up on you. Your time away dulled your memory. If you read CATLADY's final response on the matter here she says her health and pets are more important than the cost of the MIELE bags. Her verdict: Her MIELE S7 is the winner over a bagless dyson. BTW, read the vacuum reviews on this Site. MIELE S7 is the winner for all posters not just CATLADY [aka Melanie MIELE]. S7 ates 4 stars. DC07 rates 5 stars. Winner is Dyson Read the Cons by catlady. Could Miele have a defect in the design of the foot pedal? How about the clogging tools? How about bag leakage on the S-5. So bad it clogs the Hepa filter. I never experienced a clogged filter on the DC07 in 3 years. You keep saying that the gifted refurb dyson you cashed out is better than the new bagged vacuum you bought with the proceeds. But no new dyson, yet? Why? Are you still looking for another free refurb for hawking dysons here? Like I told you: Not going to happen! Several retailers beat you too it. And your name is mud with the dyson campers. Posting here that you cashed in your dyson gift for a bagged vacuum? What were you drinking? Does BB sell refurbs? I picked mine off the shelf at BB and the loser of the bet paid for it. The only one called mud on the forum is you. I will retract that statement if you can show me a Dyson camper who has disagreed with me. Otherwise I will consider it more of your BS. In your oreck review (on this site) you claim that the hoover wt cleans better. Why did you get rid of the wt? Remember, I inherited a bagless hoover and gave it away. Why? Had to use the Dyson to clean the screen and filter about three times with each vacuuming. No new Lexus gifted to you either. Times are tough, my friend. Toyota sales will be in the tank soon just like dyson sales. You heard it from me first. Ta Ta toyato. Toyota sales are suffering less than Honda and the big 3 US auto makers. If Toyota goes under we may have to ride horses. Carmine D.
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HARDSELL
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Reply #309 Nov 4, 2008 8:14 am |
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Hello DIB and Dusty: Most, not all, can mean a range anywhere from 51-99.9999999 percent too! I not only opened my heart to dyson but also my pocket book: I purchased a DC07 pink [Susan B. Komen edition] from TARGET. And I was sadly disappointed and underwhelmed with the results. The gawdawful ratcheting noise scared the bejeepers out my lab. My dear Wife and dog would leave our house whenever I started to vacuum with the DC07. Thank goodness the clutch and brushbar shutoff are discontinued/obsolete features. I gave the company and vacuum another chance. And even posted about it here. The DC24, lightweight. The latest and greatest. Scoped it out at TARGET the first week it launched. With my dear Wife. The deal breaker for me was the bottom cord hook. No way for these old bones of mine can touch my toes to wrap the cord. ;-) Carmine D. I had a bad experience with oreck as you did with Dyson. Why does your opinon seem to be the only one that matters?
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Reply #310 Nov 4, 2008 8:30 am |
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Hello HARDSELL: I still own and use my ORECK XL Classic and plan to upgrade! You cashed out your free dyson refurb, haven't bought a new dyson ............................... The HOOVER WT cleaned/groomed my rugs the best. The ORECK is a very close second. BTW, the HOOVER TEMPO for $70 matches the HOOVER WT performance in just about all respects save weight/bulk. It's lighter and less bulky than the WT. Nice vacuum for the price and duly impressed. I notice more retailers with HOOVER TEMPO models in their own exclusive colors too. Must be a sign of the hard economic times and falling vacuum sales. Looking forward to NPD numbers. I suspect vacuum sales will be down again in 2008. Second straight year in a row if it happens. Carmine D.
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HARDSELL
Joined: Aug 22, 2007
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Reply #311 Nov 4, 2008 9:35 am |
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Hello HARDSELL: I still own and use my ORECK XL Classic and plan to upgrade! You cashed out your free dyson refurb, haven't bought a new dyson ............................... The HOOVER WT cleaned/groomed my rugs the best. The ORECK is a very close second. BTW, the HOOVER TEMPO for $70 matches the HOOVER WT performance in just about all respects save weight/bulk. It's lighter and less bulky than the WT. Nice vacuum for the price and duly impressed. I notice more retailers with HOOVER TEMPO models in their own exclusive colors too. Must be a sign of the hard economic times and falling vacuum sales. Looking forward to NPD numbers. I suspect vacuum sales will be down again in 2008. Second straight year in a row if it happens. Carmine D.
Carmine, did you have to retract what you said about Honda sales exceeding Toyota? Seems that Toyota sold about 60% more cars in Oct. 08. Honda is down 25% YTD vs 23% for Toyota.
I know how you like to discuss market share. Toyota has 18.1 and Honda 10.2 %
Canada reported 1.7% increase in auto sales for Oct. Toyota up 9.4 % from a year earlier and Honda up 1%. Could it be that you are also wring on Dyson sales?
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Reply #312 Nov 4, 2008 12:31 pm |
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Hello HARDSELL/Dusty: You're right HS, I like to look at market share and stock prices. But I prefer trends over time. One month, one quarter, one year doesn't make a meaningful business trend. It took the oligopoly almost 40 years to get to where it is today. Same same for sales of vehicles and vacuums. I did not post a Review on the DC07 pink here. I suspect if I were to do so, mine would bring the star rating down. I do not Review any vacuum products here on this Site that I dislike. However, when I'm asked and/or I read a post that I agree/disagree with about a certain product, I will post here on the Discussions. If that's trashing a product, so be it. Mea culpa. I prefer to say I offer constructive criticism with charity. Why? My star ratings [if fair/poor] don't get tallied in the overall product score, which most readers see and use for comparative purposes. And as you said HS my opinion counts the same as others. NO more, no less. Like my vote today! To date, I've only posted Reviews here of vacuum products that I buy, use and like. I will probably continue that practice. Unfortunately, I haven't liked any of the dyson products to date enough to post a Review here. Carmine D.
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HARDSELL
Joined: Aug 22, 2007
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Reply #313 Nov 4, 2008 1:53 pm |
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Hello HARDSELL/Dusty: Your choice of colors is very patriotic. Is that a reminder to vote. One month, quarter, year does not make a trend. Recall it took the oligopoly almost 40 years to get to where it is today. Honda is poised to do well. Ta ta to toyota. BTW, I did not post a Review on the DC07 pink here. I suspect mine would bring the star rating down. Nor do I review any products that I don't care for here on this Site. However, when I'm asked/read a post that I agree/disagree with about a certain product, I will post here on the discussions. If that's trashing a product, so be it. I prefer to call it criticism with charity. Why? My star ratings [if fair/poor] don't get tallied in the score, which most readers see and use for comparative purposes. To date, I've only posted Reviews here of products that I buy, use and like. And I will probably continue that practice. Unfortunately, I haven't liked any of the dyson products to date enough to post on the Reviews here. Carmine D.
In your original statement that you hastily edited you said that Honda sales were exceeding Toyota's. Now that I have presented accurate facts you want to do the toilet dance. Sales are lagging and Toyota is #2 in the U.S. and # 1 in Japan. Is this like when you told us that Hoover was poised to overtake Dyson? If I recall Dyson is still standing and Hoover was bailed out. I am sure glad that Toyota is not poised to do well if your idea of doing well is the same as it was with Hoover.
I know, reviews are useless unless they favor your argument. Don't you think all others know that about you by now? I haven't liked Oreck any more than you like Dyson. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________ I see that you have already edited the above post also. This is the original statement (n red). It took Hoover how long to get where it was and then it failed. Hello HARDSELL/Dusty: You're right HS, I like to look at market share and stock prices. But I prefer trends over time. One month, one quarter, one year doesn't make a meaningful business trend. It took the oligopoly almost 40 years to get to where it is today. Same same for sales of vehicles and vacuums. I did not post a Review on the DC07 pink here. I suspect if I were to do so, mine would bring the star rating down. I do not Review any vacuum products here on this Site that I dislike. However, when I'm asked and/or I read a post that I agree/disagree with about a certain product, I will post here on the Discussions. If that's trashing a product, so be it. Mea culpa. I prefer to say I offer constructive criticism with charity. Why? My star ratings [if fair/poor] don't get tallied in the overall product score, which most readers see and use for comparative purposes. And as you said HS my opinion counts the same as others. NO more, no less. Like my vote today! To date, I've only posted Reviews here of vacuum products that I buy, use and like.  I will probably continue that practice. Unfortunately, I haven't liked any of the dyson products to date enough to post a Review here. Carmine D.
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