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DysonInventsBig
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Original Message Jun 28, 2008 12:41 am |
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Dyson is in the news frequently and so a dedicated thread. . 
 
 
This message was modified Aug 2, 2008 by DysonInventsBig
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DysonInventsBig
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Reply #296 Nov 3, 2008 4:17 pm |
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Hello DIB: Nice diversion from discountinued dysons and dyson ball models not selling. When smart, informed buyers spend $500-$1000 on premium made vacuums that last 20 years, most will never quibble over $50-$75 a year for bags. It's not even on their radar screen. Now onto your fave brand: Expensive bagless vacuums with costly filters and regular filter maintenence are a HARDSELL. Add allergy and asthma sufferers with pets and it's MISSION IMPOSSIBLE. Solution: Bagged! MIELE-S, RICCAR-S, SEBO-s, even ORECK--S. Why? For both health and wealth reasons. Actually makes bagged MIELE-s and others easier to sell. Add a 6 inch profile with maneuverabilty to boot. Great for vacuuming under furniture without using tools. Big time and effort saver. Just like bags plus the added benefit of no health risk. Do you really think these customers are worried about spending $15-$20 for a pack of bags several times a year? Not even on their radar screen. The bag cost issue is what it is my friend: Bagless brand marketing propaganda. At best it works only once with a bagless vacuum purchase. Even HARDSELL cashed in his 2 year old dyson for a bagged vacuum. Case closed. Carmine D. Carmine, Smart people? A $500-$1000 vacuum purchase plus another $1000-$1500 in vacuum bags over 20 years is somehow smarter than purchasing a brand-new $500 Dyson every five years? Health risk? You guys say there is no health risk in our carpets, that it's just dust, harmless dust? DIB
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HARDSELL
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Reply #298 Nov 3, 2008 5:10 pm |
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Hello DIB: Nice diversion from discountinued dysons and dyson ball models not selling. When smart, informed buyers spend $500-$1000 on premium made vacuums that last 20 years, most will never quibble over $50-$75 a year for bags. It's not even on their radar screen. Now onto your fave brand: Expensive bagless vacuums with costly filters and regular filter maintenence are a HARDSELL. Add allergy and asthma sufferers with pets and it's MISSION IMPOSSIBLE. Solution: Bagged! MIELE-S, RICCAR-S, SEBO-s, even ORECK--S. Why? For both health and wealth reasons. Actually makes bagged MIELE-s and others easier to sell. Add a 6 inch profile with maneuverabilty to boot. Great for vacuuming under furniture without using tools. Big time and effort saver. Just like bags plus the added benefit of no health risk. Do you really think these customers are worried about spending $15-$20 for a pack of bags several times a year? Not even on their radar screen. The bag cost issue is what it is my friend: Bagless brand marketing propaganda. At best it works only once with a bagless vacuum purchase. Even HARDSELL cashed in his 2 year old dyson for a bagged vacuum. Case closed. Carmine D.
I think catlady is the only one to post on buying a new Miele. She complained about a $2 cost in replacement bags over her initial bag purchase. Your statement about the cost of bags not being an issue went out the door.
My Dyson was over 2 years old when I sold it. Again you need to get your facts before spouting off. BTW, neither bagged vacuum that replaced the DC07 is equal in performance. So before you rattle off I will tell you that as soon as I meet another vacuum salesman that wants to lose a bet that gets me a new Dyson I will once again own one.
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DysonInventsBig
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Reply #299 Nov 3, 2008 5:28 pm |
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CarmineD
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Reply #300 Nov 3, 2008 5:36 pm |
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Hello HARDSELL: I almost gave up on you. Your time away dulled your memory. If you read CATLADY's final response on the matter here she says her health and pets are more important than the cost of the MIELE bags. Her verdict: Her MIELE S7 is the winner over a bagless dyson. BTW, read the vacuum reviews on this Site. MIELE S7 is the winner for all posters not just CATLADY [aka Melanie MIELE]. You keep saying that the gifted refurb dyson you cashed out is better than the new bagged vacuum you bought with the proceeds. But no new dyson, yet? Why? Are you still looking for another free refurb for hawking dysons here? Like I told you: Not going to happen! Several retailers beat you too it. And your name is mud with the dyson campers. Posting here that you cashed in your dyson gift for a bagged vacuum? What were you drinking? No new Lexus gifted to you either. Times are tough, my friend. Toyota sales will be in the tank soon just like dyson sales. You heard it from me first. Ta Ta toyato. Carmine D.
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dusty
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Reply #301 Nov 3, 2008 5:46 pm |
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Now onto your fave brand: Expensive bagless vacuums with costly filters and regular filter maintenence are a HARDSELL. Add allergy and asthma sufferers with pets and it's MISSION IMPOSSIBLE. Solution: Bagged! MIELE-S, RICCAR-S, SEBO-s, even ORECK--S.
Last time I checked, Miele, Sebo, Riccar etc also had filters that needed regular changing and are also costly to replace. When showing these machines I am almost always asked the cost of filters and bags and contrary to what you may believe, it does make and break a sale. Just because somebody can afford a higher priced unit doesn't mean they are willing to kick out top dollar for bags and filters all the time. It all comes down to customer preference. While I understand you have a strong dislike for Dyson product, there is no shortage of others who will rave about it to anyone they meet. In the end, it's just another vacuum that's carving out its market niche just like all the other brands before it have done. Dusty
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CarmineD
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Reply #302 Nov 3, 2008 5:49 pm |
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Wholeheartedly agree Dusty. Like I said: For "MOST" who buy quality bagged vacuums, the yearly cost of bags are not even on the radar screen. Not all buyers.  BTW, glad to hear you say dyson is a niche seller. I've said that since 2002 when it was launched. I don't dislike 'dyson' per se. It's a vacuum. It's a decent bagless, save the ball dyson models and the hand held. But dysons in general are [and have been] overpriced, overrated, overengineered and overmarketed. There are many more much better vacuum choices for the same price and/or less. If that is what you mean when you say I strongly dislike dyson product, then you're absolutely right. I agree. Mea culpa. Let's see what should I do for penance? I know. I'll petition the Vatican, the Holy Father, and the Conference of Catholic Bishops and demand that the Canon Law of the Catholic Church be amended to include an 11th Commandment. A new beatitude: Thou shalt love dyson! But I'm not optimistic. They are Lindhaus lovers! Carmine D.
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mole
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Reply #303 Nov 3, 2008 6:07 pm |
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Wholeheartedly agree Dusty. Like I said: For "MOST" who buy quality bagged vacuums, the yearly cost of bags are not even on the radar screen. Not all buyers. BTW, glad to hear you say dyson is a niche seller. I've said that since 2002 when it was launched. I don't dislike 'dyson' per se. It's a vacuum. It's a decent bagless, save the ball dyson models and the hand held. But dysons in general are [and have been] overpriced, overrated and overengineered. There are many more much better vacuum choices for the same and/or less price, IMHO. If that is what you mean when you say I dislike dyson product, then you're absolutely right and I agree. I'm guilty of the egregious sin of disliking dyson product. So are many many others. What should I do for penance? Wait: I know. I'll petition the Vatican and the Holy Father and ask that the Canon Law of the Catholic Church be amended to include an 11th Commandment. A new beatitude: Thou shalt love dyson! Carmine D. How about H.S. should he be added to the list???????????????? MOLE
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CarmineD
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Reply #304 Nov 3, 2008 6:14 pm |
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How about H.S. should he be added to the list????????????????
MOLE
HI MOLE:
He's a recipient of the new beatitude that I want added: He who praises dyson, shall be gifted a free refurb! Carmine D.
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mole
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Reply #305 Nov 3, 2008 6:20 pm |
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The real dyson or the toy dyson ? It probally would not matter they both clean the same. Think he'd know the difference  . MOLE |
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