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DysonInventsBig
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Original Message Jun 28, 2008 12:41 am |
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Dyson is in the news frequently and so a dedicated thread. .
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DysonInventsBig
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Reply #289 Nov 2, 2008 12:18 pm |
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Hi DIB: Your zeal for all things dyson is admirable tho grossly misguided and naive. To your credit and honesty you admitted here that your sales and marketing background is very limited. Now, I suspect that HSN and dyson struck a deal to off load an inventory of unsold DC07 vacuums. Which at the time were 6 years old. No doubt, in an effort to discontinue the model once and for all. How? With a promo of extra tools' value. In hindsight the HSN/dyson was excellent timing tho I have to question the sales number. Why? I pointed out before that you have no verification of the actual sales number save what HSN says. Like auction bids and bidders, the more sales buzz/frenzy generated by HSN, the more buyers. In the past, many of the auction house bidders were shills. It's one of the oldest cons in the sales business. Got to have it. Can't live without it! Everyones' buying! DTD vacuum salesmen use to say to the person opening the door, I just sold "x" number in the neighborhood. Why? To get their foot in the door and do the demo! BTW, when in recent past/near term future has/will HSN sold/sell new dysons? All and any intelligence forthcoming on this matter is appreciated. I seem to recall that one of the dyson campers here awhile back [may have been you DIB] said HSN planned to launch the new dyson ball models/cann. Ever happen? FYI: Stock info for HSN: Note the 52 week hi-lo in red. It's price is down from its high by almost 70 percent. HSN, INC. CMN STK(NasdaqGS: HSNI)Last Trade: | 6.15 | Trade Time: | Oct 31 | Change: | 0.80 (11.51%) | Prev Close: | 6.95 | Open: | 6.64 | Bid: | 5.66 x 700 | Ask: | 6.25 x 100 | 1y Target Est: | 7.00 |
Day's Range: | 5.55 - 6.99 | 52wk Range: | 3.63 - 16.54 | Volume: | 632,959 | Avg Vol (3m): | 846,707 | Market Cap: | N/A | P/E (ttm): | N/A | EPS (ttm): | N/A | Div & Yield: | N/A (N/A) |
Quotes delayed, except where indicated otherwise. For consolidated real-time quotes (incl. pre/post market data), sign up for a free trial of Real-time Quotes. Carmine D. Hello Carmen, ...of your HSN/Dyson conspiracy theory. You may want to exchange your paranoia for some of my “misguided naive[té]”. Misguided and naive looks paltry by comparison. DIB
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DysonInventsBig
Location: USA
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Reply #292 Nov 2, 2008 8:00 pm |
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So tell us DIB: Paranoia and conspiracy theories aside: Did you say that HSN would launch the new dyson ball models awhile back, and did it? Carmine D. Carmen, I did post (in advance of the launch) one European patent application demonstrating the Root + Core filtration. I do watch for and follow Dyson on HSN. If and when I see new Dyson products on HSN's webpage I'll post of it here and possible launches. It is Motorhead who speaks of future Dyson products and loose time frames and not me. DIB
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CarmineD
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Reply #293 Nov 3, 2008 6:46 am |
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Thanks DIB: I suspect it was wishful thinking on your part when you posted that HSN had dysons coming up for sale and opined that it might be the latest and greatest ball models. Turned out to be the same old DC14 with some extras. BTW, BEST BUY stores launched a dyson Animal DC25 ball model in its Sunday newspaper supplement for $549. Same as the All Floors model plus a turbo tool and purple color. It will be a HARDSELL. Don't know if it's an exclusive model for BB. May be, since big box retailers will have even a HARDERSELL at the current price and hard times. Talking about hard times, the BB stock price is down over 50 percent from its yearly highs. I hightlighted in red. BTW, the numbers are in US dollars. 26.88 +2.27 (9.22%) Oct 31 - Close | | Open: | 25.30 | | Mkt Cap: | 11.08B | | | | | Dividend: | 0.14 | | High: | 27.07 | | 52Wk High: | 53.90 | | P/E: | 13.63 | | Yield: | 2.08 | | Low: | 24.61 | | 52Wk Low: | 20.00 | | Beta: | 1.41 | | Shares: | 412.33M | | Vol: | 0.00 | | Avg Vol: | 10.30M | | EPS: | 3.15 | | Inst. Own: | 78% | After Hours: 24.61 -2.27 (-8.44%) - Oct 31, 5:13PM EDT |
Carmine D.
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DysonInventsBig
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Reply #294 Nov 3, 2008 1:07 pm |
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Thanks DIB: I suspect it was wishful thinking on your part when you posted that HSN had dysons coming up for sale and opined that it might be the latest and greatest ball models. Turned out to be the same old DC14 with some extras. BTW, BEST BUY stores launched a dyson Animal DC25 ball model in its Sunday newspaper supplement for $549. Same as the All Floors model plus a turbo tool and purple color. It will be a HARDSELL. Don't know if it's an exclusive model for BB. May be, since big box retailers will have even a HARDERSELL at the current price and hard times. Talking about hard times, the BB stock price is down over 50 percent from its yearly highs. I hightlighted in red. BTW, the numbers are in US dollars. 26.88 +2.27 (9.22%) Oct 31 - Close | | Open: | 25.30 | | Mkt Cap: | 11.08B | | |
| | Dividend: | 0.14 | | High: | 27.07 | | 52Wk High: | 53.90 | | P/E: | 13.63 | | Yield: | 2.08 | | Low: | 24.61 | | 52Wk Low: | 20.00 | | Beta: | 1.41 | | Shares: | 412.33M | | Vol: | 0.00 | | Avg Vol: | 10.30M | | EPS: | 3.15 | | Inst. Own: | 78% | After Hours: 24.61 -2.27 (-8.44%) - Oct 31, 5:13PM EDT |
Carmine D. Carmen, $550 is a lot. So is the $500 Miele S7 with its costs of the bags. I have not read all posts but have you complained or brought up the cost of the Miele S7 and the bag costs too? It seems only Dyson's are viewable on your radar? DIB
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CarmineD
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Reply #295 Nov 3, 2008 1:20 pm |
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Hello DIB: Nice diversion from discountinued dysons and dyson ball models not selling. When smart, informed buyers spend $500-$1000 on premium made vacuums that last 20 years, most will never quibble over $50-$75 a year for bags. It's not even on their radar screen. Now onto your fave brand: Expensive bagless vacuums with costly filters and regular filter maintenence are a HARDSELL. Add allergy and asthma sufferers with pets and it's MISSION IMPOSSIBLE. Solution: Bagged! MIELE-S, RICCAR-S, SEBO-s, even ORECK--S. Why? For both health and wealth reasons. Actually makes bagged MIELE-s and others easier to sell. Add a 6 inch profile with maneuverabilty to boot. Great for vacuuming under furniture without using tools. Big time and effort saver. Just like bags plus the added benefit of no health risk. Do you really think these customers are worried about spending $15-$20 for a pack of bags several times a year? Not even on their radar screen. The bag cost issue is what it is my friend: Bagless brand marketing propaganda. At best it works only once with a bagless vacuum purchase. Even HARDSELL cashed in his 2 year old dyson for a bagged vacuum. Case closed. Carmine D.
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DysonInventsBig
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Reply #296 Nov 3, 2008 4:17 pm |
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Hello DIB: Nice diversion from discountinued dysons and dyson ball models not selling. When smart, informed buyers spend $500-$1000 on premium made vacuums that last 20 years, most will never quibble over $50-$75 a year for bags. It's not even on their radar screen. Now onto your fave brand: Expensive bagless vacuums with costly filters and regular filter maintenence are a HARDSELL. Add allergy and asthma sufferers with pets and it's MISSION IMPOSSIBLE. Solution: Bagged! MIELE-S, RICCAR-S, SEBO-s, even ORECK--S. Why? For both health and wealth reasons. Actually makes bagged MIELE-s and others easier to sell. Add a 6 inch profile with maneuverabilty to boot. Great for vacuuming under furniture without using tools. Big time and effort saver. Just like bags plus the added benefit of no health risk. Do you really think these customers are worried about spending $15-$20 for a pack of bags several times a year? Not even on their radar screen. The bag cost issue is what it is my friend: Bagless brand marketing propaganda. At best it works only once with a bagless vacuum purchase. Even HARDSELL cashed in his 2 year old dyson for a bagged vacuum. Case closed. Carmine D. Carmine, Smart people? A $500-$1000 vacuum purchase plus another $1000-$1500 in vacuum bags over 20 years is somehow smarter than purchasing a brand-new $500 Dyson every five years? Health risk? You guys say there is no health risk in our carpets, that it's just dust, harmless dust? DIB
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HARDSELL
Joined: Aug 22, 2007
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Reply #298 Nov 3, 2008 5:10 pm |
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Hello DIB: Nice diversion from discountinued dysons and dyson ball models not selling. When smart, informed buyers spend $500-$1000 on premium made vacuums that last 20 years, most will never quibble over $50-$75 a year for bags. It's not even on their radar screen. Now onto your fave brand: Expensive bagless vacuums with costly filters and regular filter maintenence are a HARDSELL. Add allergy and asthma sufferers with pets and it's MISSION IMPOSSIBLE. Solution: Bagged! MIELE-S, RICCAR-S, SEBO-s, even ORECK--S. Why? For both health and wealth reasons. Actually makes bagged MIELE-s and others easier to sell. Add a 6 inch profile with maneuverabilty to boot. Great for vacuuming under furniture without using tools. Big time and effort saver. Just like bags plus the added benefit of no health risk. Do you really think these customers are worried about spending $15-$20 for a pack of bags several times a year? Not even on their radar screen. The bag cost issue is what it is my friend: Bagless brand marketing propaganda. At best it works only once with a bagless vacuum purchase. Even HARDSELL cashed in his 2 year old dyson for a bagged vacuum. Case closed. Carmine D. I think catlady is the only one to post on buying a new Miele. She complained about a $2 cost in replacement bags over her initial bag purchase. Your statement about the cost of bags not being an issue went out the door.
My Dyson was over 2 years old when I sold it. Again you need to get your facts before spouting off. BTW, neither bagged vacuum that replaced the DC07 is equal in performance. So before you rattle off I will tell you that as soon as I meet another vacuum salesman that wants to lose a bet that gets me a new Dyson I will once again own one.
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