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mole
 
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PRICING QUESTION
Original Message Oct 31, 2008 9:03 am |
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I would like to throw this question out........ If you are not a vacuum enthusiast or professional in the business. What would you pay for a vacuum cleaner[please disregard being sold by high pressure sales or hyped promotional advertising] $5.00, $ 20.00, $ 150.00, etc. I'M trying to see how the public in general sees this industry.......... Thanks MOLE |
HARDSELL
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Re: PRICING QUESTION
Reply #22 Dec 3, 2008 10:22 pm |
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Hi Carmine,
Sounds cool man. I've never heard of using nitrogen instead of compressed air for tire inflation before and am doing some research to find out if its readily available nearby so I might give it a try.
What particular benefits have you found and what do they do in regard to first time users?
Thanks,
Venson
Heilum is better. Makes the car float. Less rolling resistance makes for longer tire life and better fuel mileage. 
Before you fall for the nitrogen hype you should do some research. Compressed air is about 78% nitrogen to begin with. Supposedly nitrogen will not escape tires as quickly as compressed air. It also is supposed reduce moisture in the tire, therby reducing sidewall deterioration from the inside. I would prefer to pay 25 cents every two or three months for compresed air than to pay $100 for nitrogen. I always get free air with my oil changes. Tires will get dry wall cracking with age, especially if they are not driven frequently. I personally have always worn the tread out long before the sidewall. Nitrogen is a great sales pitch and adds bottom mline profits for those shops that might be a little short of a profitable week. Again, ask your shop if he has had a profitable week. If he says no just remember what Carmine said. It is good business to stick it to the customer if you profit.
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DysonInventsBig
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Re: PRICING QUESTION
Reply #24 Dec 4, 2008 12:18 am |
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Hi Lucky1,
Thanks for your reply. I am not asking that vendors sell merchandise with no mark-up. I thoroughly understand the cost of overhead and having to pay salaries plus all the other things that end up eating up money and that all must be reflected in the pricing of merchandise. I simply want an idea of pricing to help in deciding where to buy from -- namely vendors whose pricing leans more toward fair as opposed to what the market will bear.
The plight of vendors -- especially independent ones does not escape me. However, consumers have their own special plight which no one appears to be concerned about -- being able to buy what they need. In such cases, informed shoppers are prepared to do the work start looking for ways to save. By way of the internet, we can now bettter investigate quality and price.
As an instance, I've been looking for new tires. I did some searching and investigating and decided on a tire with a good rep that should well suit my needs. (Like vaccuums, everybody has his favorite tire too.) However, price was as much as an issue s quality. Between lowest price and highest, the range is about $70.00 per tire. I have solved the problem. I am buying the tires I've chosen online and will chuck them into the back of my car and have them installed by a small but reputable shop in my community (instead of a big commercial entity) where they will be properly mounted and balanced for far less the price offered by the big kids. AND even with shipping cost included I will aquire the tires at a better price.
I'm not asking for goods at next to nothing. All I want is a decent price.
Venson Venson, be sure that the small shop has had a profitable week and do not have the tires installed on a late Saturday evening. Otherwise you could become a victim of higher prices if the dealer shares Carmine's business ethics. Of course any reputable dealer would make it up to you by always giving you free air for your tires. Hardsell, I was laughing so hard, I teared up. DIB
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CarmineD
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Re: PRICING QUESTION
Reply #25 Dec 4, 2008 7:02 am |
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Hi Venson: Vernon hits it right on the head. Thank you, Sir. I prefer the nitrogen filled tires. Less tire maintenance. More consistent and accurate tire pressure maintained with less pressure fluctuations due to temp changes. Better riding too. IMHO. COSTCO here in the Las Vegas Valley uses nitrogen with its tire sales too and has for several years, I understand. If you buy the tires for your vehicle from COSTCO, you can return anytime and have them check/adjust the tire pressure regularly free of charge. A new Honda dealership opened in the Valley about a year ago and mandates nitrogen use in tires with all new Honda car sales. I suspect for the specific reason that Vernon cited above. With the 120 plus degree outside air temps, the tire air temps can rise drastically causing the tires to blow if overinflated. Less of a chance with the nitrogen since it runs cooler in the tires. Granted the new Honda owner is a youngin by comparison to the older stodgy car dealers in LV who still use air. You're not supposed to mix [air/nitrogen]. The tire and auto dealers use green caps on the tire valves to alert industry professionals that the tires use nitrogen and not air. But it's always good to tell them, when you take your car in for service. In an emergency, if you use air, COSTCO/Honda dealer will deflate the tires and reinflate with nitrogen free if you bought the tires/car there. If you are converting your existing car tires to nitrogen from air as a brand new customer, COSTCO/Honda charge from $25-$100 for the job, depending on the vehicle. Hope that in conjunction with Vernon's post is informative and useful. Carmine D.
This message was modified Dec 4, 2008 by CarmineD
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CarmineD
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Re: PRICING QUESTION
Reply #26 Dec 4, 2008 7:04 am |
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Hardsell, I was laughing so hard, I teared up. DIB
Hello DIB:
Must have gotten your dyson bonus for 2008! Carmine D.
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HARDSELL
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Re: PRICING QUESTION
Reply #30 Dec 4, 2008 8:49 am |
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Hi Venson: Vernon hits it right on the head. Thank you, Sir. COSTCO here in the Las Vegas Valley uses nitrogen with its tire sales too and has for several years, I understand. If you buy the tires for your vehicle from COSTCO, you can return anytime and have them check/adjust the tire pressure regularly free of charge. A new Honda dealership opened in the Valley about a year ago and mandates nitrogen use in tires with all new Honda car sales. I suspect for the specific reason that Vernon cited above. With the 120 plus degree outside air temps, the tire air temps can rise drastically causing the tires to blow if overinflated. Less of a chance with the nitrogen since it runs cooler in the tires. Granted the new Honda owner is a youngin by comparison to the older stodgy car dealers in LV who still use air. You're not supposed to mix [air/nitrogen]. The tire and auto dealers use green caps on the tire valves to alert industry professionals that the tires use nitrogen and not air. But it's always good to tell them, when you bring your car in for service. In an emergency, if you use air, COSTCO/Honda dealer will deflate the tires and reinflate with nitrogen free if you bought the tires/car there. If you are converting your existing tires to nitrogen from air as a brand new customer, COSTCO/Honda charge from $25-$100 for the job, depending on the vehicle. Hope that in conjunction with Vernon's post is informative and useful. Carmine D.
Carmine, lots of car dealers are putting nitrogen in tires post sell. I remember when they put paint and upholstery protection on the vehicle then added $1000 or so to the sticker. Dealer cost was probably $25 to $50. They would then have a big margin to negotiate off the sticker. They did this with undercoating also. Amusing thing is the cars were undercoated at the factory.
How about all the oil and transmission additives that dealers and quick change locations promote. You spend $50 extra on an oil change for no improvement in performance or durability. they recommend 3000 mi oil change intervals when the auto factory and oil manufacturers recommend 5000. When the tire installer breaks the bead of removes the valve stem ambient air enters the tire. Do the installers then pull a vacuum to eliminate this prior to installing nitrogen? I think not. I would rather pay a few $ for a portable air compresor and do periodic air checks myself than to drive to Costco each time. How many are within driving distance of the general population. Remember they aren't Wal Mart. Just like vacs. No one solution for all. However, your beloved CR does not recommend nitrogen. Neither does anyone else who doesn't profit from it. Tire construction, rubber compounds, driving habits and tire maintenance will contribute more to tire life than nitrogen IMO. If one is comfortable with nitrogen by all means use it. Just do the research first. MOLE, your opinion would be valued here.
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