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Re: Refurbished vacuums on Overstock
Reply #27 Oct 2, 2008 10:15 pm |
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Hi DIB,</p><p>Your point is well taken but the Devil is in the details. I think the better a thing is described the more clearly it is explained -- wherever. Of course, I do not in any way imagine that persons involved in debating like issues in a court of law spend a great deal of time opining the finite detail of the mechanics of a vacuum cleaner or using one for that matter. However, whether the comparison is to natural phenomenon or popular brand, I'd much prefer they eased off euphemistic reference and leaned on basic physics more. </p><p>The big problem is that myriad brands are taking on the term "cyclonic" -- which can be owned by no one -- and all should be expected to well explain how the term applies to their product lest the public be mislead.</p><p>Venson
Hey Venson, Instead of manufactures explaining their so-called cyclonic vacuums choke easily at the final (paper) filter and are nightmares to clean, etc. It would be much more interesting (and profitable) if vac manufacturers would actually give up lazy engineering and invent or engineer a needed solution that’s exclusive to them. Although if more manufacturers did this Dyson would not have it nearly so easy. DIB
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Re: Refurbished vacuums on Overstock
Reply #28 Oct 3, 2008 1:38 am |
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Hey Venson,
Instead of manufactures explaining their so-called cyclonic vacuums choke easily at the final (paper) filter and are nightmares to clean, etc. It would be much more interesting (and profitable) if vac manufacturers would actually give up lazy engineering and invent or engineer a needed solution that’s exclusive to them. Although if more manufacturers did this Dyson would not have it nearly so easy.
DIB Hi DIB, What is brilliance? The Hula Hoop, the Cabbage Patch Doll and the Pet Rock made a lot of money for the folks who thought them up. That as remarkable ingenuity as I've ever witnessed. There are still other vacuum makers who diligently strive to provide quality product and appear to be prospering because there are people who gladly buy them. I appreciate your enthusiasm but Dyson is not and never will be running the only game in town. It's all a mattter of choice. The best vacuum is the one your happy to make frequent use of. As well, originality remains a moot point as, like beauty, its all in the eye of the beholder. If "cyclonics" is the subject I don't necessarily think of Dyson first. I think of Filter Queen, maybe not to you the perfect instance, that took its user a long way when it came to lasting, usable cleaning power and could probably even plead the case in regard to Electrolux's Model XXX. I think of central vacs that used the full-blown idea back as far as what feels like Year One. If Dyson fine-tuned the idea, shrunk it to portable machine size -- plus made some money -- wonderful. Nonetheless, there are other companies that bear large and equally illustrious histories by way of less unique product without much dispute over who had first dibs on the cloth dust bag. The only original "vacuum cleaner" will probably be the one that snatches up dirt and disintegrates it with no moving parts involved. In regard to what's interesting, though I am a great lover of science, I am interested in any vacuum that promotes thorough cleaning with minimum effort and maintenance. That's still a dream waiting to be realized. Though we may now dump our clothing into automatic washers and put the dinner dishes in our dishwashers and walk away, vacuuming remains nearly as labor-intensive as working with a broom and dust cloth. So far Roomba is the visionary leader in the area of at least lessening the effort of floor cleaning and Dyson and everyone else has long way to go. However . . . My main concern, as I stated, is the lack of clear explanations of how products work or don't work -- in court or out. Since the makers of appliances and those who sell them, no matter who, are all mortals just like us I think we may safely assume as my beloved Aunt Lucy used to say, "Their mouths aren't prayer books and their backsides aren't stack of bibles." Therefore, some skepticism and questioning are never out of order until some sort of requirement by law regarding accuracy of description is firmly set in place. Venson
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Re: Refurbished vacuums on Overstock
Reply #29 Oct 3, 2008 2:49 pm |
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Hi DIB,</p><p>What is brilliance? The Hula Hoop, the Cabbage Patch Doll and the Pet Rock made a lot of money for the folks who thought them up. That as remarkable ingenuity as I've ever witnessed.</p><p>There are still other vacuum makers who diligently strive to provide quality product and appear to be prospering because there are people who gladly buy them. I appreciate your enthusiasm but Dyson is not and never will be running the only game in town. It's all a mattter of choice. The best vacuum is the one your happy to make frequent use of.</p><p>As well, originality remains a moot point as, like beauty, its all in the eye of the beholder. If "cyclonics" is the subject I don't necessarily think of Dyson first. I think of Filter Queen, maybe not to you the perfect instance, that took its user a long way when it came to lasting, usable cleaning power and could probably even plead the case in regard to Electrolux's Model XXX. I think of central vacs that used the full-blown idea back as far as what feels like Year One. If Dyson fine-tuned the idea, shrunk it to portable machine size -- plus made some money -- wonderful. Nonetheless, there are other companies that bear large and equally illustrious histories by way of less unique product without much dispute over who had first dibs on the cloth dust bag. The only original "vacuum cleaner" will probably be the one that snatches up dirt and disintegrates it with no moving parts involved.</p><p>In regard to what's interesting, though I am a great lover of science, I am interested in any vacuum that promotes thorough cleaning with minimum effort and maintenance. That's still a dream waiting to be realized. Though we may now dump our clothing into automatic washers and put the dinner dishes in our dishwashers and walk away, vacuuming remains nearly as labor-intensive as working with a broom and dust cloth. So far Roomba is the visionary leader in the area of at least lessening the effort of floor cleaning and Dyson and everyone else has long way to go. However . . .</p><p>My main concern, as I stated, is the lack of clear explanations of how products work or don't work -- in court or out. Since the makers of appliances and those who sell them, no matter who, are all mortals just like us I think we may safely assume as my beloved Aunt Lucy used to say, "Their mouths aren't prayer books and their backsides aren't stack of bibles." Therefore, some skepticism and questioning are never out of order until some sort of requirement by law regarding accuracy of description is firmly set in place.</p><p>Venson
Hi Venson, The Hula Hoop and the Cabbage Patch lines have proven to be historically (decades old) great products and it is the strength of these products that built great wealth and in many ways. They were and remain brilliant products. The Pet Rock lasted 6 months. I heard the idea man (not inventor) went on to tend bar. More later... DIB
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Re: Refurbished vacuums on Overstock
Reply #31 Oct 4, 2008 1:19 pm |
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Hi DIB, What is brilliance? The Hula Hoop, the Cabbage Patch Doll and the Pet Rock made a lot of money for the folks who thought them up. That as remarkable ingenuity as I've ever witnessed.</p><p>There are still other vacuum makers who diligently strive to provide quality product and appear to be prospering because there are people who gladly buy them. I appreciate your enthusiasm but Dyson is not and never will be running the only game in town. It's all a mattter of choice. The best vacuum is the one your happy to make frequent use of. Venson Venson, I enjoy the James Dyson story (from his carriage house to today), there are many life and business lessons there. Building a quality vacuum is not much of a story, anyone with the will can accomplish this. God given inventions only come to a select few, so I talk Dyson. I have seen every vacuum related patent application for the last year. Very little that is truly new (not a new twist) is coming, but when I see something (like the multi-cyclonic canister I posted from Miele) I'll post it and talk of it too. DIB P.S. Electrolux recently filed for cyclonic filtration (low and high efficiency) but with the addition of using their (existing or new) “self cleaning” pre and/or post motor filter/s.
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Re: Refurbished vacuums on Overstock
Reply #32 Oct 11, 2008 6:55 pm |
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@Venson, The original vacuum would also need to have absolutely no emissions what-so-ever.
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Re: Refurbished vacuums on Overstock
Reply #33 Oct 18, 2008 9:40 am |
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A little food for thought,whats wrong with rebuilt vacuums that are rebuilt right with a warranty just as good as when they are new?.Are repacks reconditioned? The price should be determined by the quality of the rebuild,who does the rebuilding,the reputation of the rebuilder,Is there a difference between rebuilt and reconditioned? There is alaways the customer that only buys NEW, Has anyone on the forum ever used the KIRBY rebuild policy, They are without a dought the best in the business at this.Aerus/formerly electrolux,had a factory rebuild program,i've seen model XXX, model G's, model L'S, its a shame they dont do it anymore,i quess this is called progress? Anyone remember the metropolitan rebuilt luxes?, Model R's, with new paint,attachments,hose,with 2 year warranty parts and labor for 69.95. MOLE |
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Re: Refurbished vacuums on Overstock
Reply #34 Oct 18, 2008 4:54 pm |
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Hello MOLE: I took a shot at a response. Let me know what you think. Carmine D. A little food for thought,whats wrong with rebuilt vacuums that are rebuilt right with a warranty just as good as when they are new?.Are repacks reconditioned? Answer: Worthy rebuilts with the same backing as a manufacturer's guaranty are just as good. Technically, repacks are just that. Customer opens, uses and returns to manufacturer/retailer. The latter spruces up and repacks for sale with the caveat "repack." Some carry a guaranty. Some are sold as is. Obviously price varies depending on the latter. The price should be determined by the quality of the rebuild,who does the rebuilding,the reputation of the rebuilder,Is there a difference between rebuilt and reconditioned? Technically, no difference, just in terminology. There is alaways the customer that only buys NEW, Has anyone on the forum ever used the KIRBY rebuild policy, They are without a dought the best in the business at this.Aerus/formerly electrolux,had a factory rebuild program,i've seen model XXX, model G's, model L'S, its a shame they dont do it anymore,i quess this is called progress? I know many Kirby customers who have and are extremely satisfied with the Kirby results. I may be wrong, but I think I recall that Just's parents had a Kirby that was damaged badly in a home fire. Kirby restored/rebuilt/reconditioned the damaged Kirby to its original factory specs in accordance with its policy. Anyone remember the metropolitan rebuilt luxes?, Model R's, with new paint,attachments,hose,with 2 year warranty parts and labor for 69.95. Yes, from Sustern NY. Familiar with the Metro's rebuilt 30's. I was never very impressed with their results. Many were sold at auctions for new. But really were rebuilt with a guaranty. Metro stuck a past on label with its name on the underside and the rebuilt statement. MOLE Thanks MOLE for the post with the information and questions. Carmine D.
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Re: Refurbished vacuums on Overstock
Reply #35 Oct 19, 2008 8:23 am |
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Hello MOLE: I took a shot at a response. Let me know what you think. Carmine D. A little food for thought,whats wrong with rebuilt vacuums that are rebuilt right with a warranty just as good as when they are new?.Are repacks reconditioned? Answer: Worthy rebuilts with the same backing as a manufacturer's guaranty are just as good. Technically, repacks are just that. Customer opens, uses and returns to manufacturer/retailer. The latter spruces up and repacks for sale with the caveat "repack." Some carry a guaranty. Some are sold as is. Obviously price varies depending on the latter.
Hi Carmine, your response is right on the money,Spoken like a true professional of the trade. Who sold the XXX for new? The dealers are starting to open all the machines up put them on the sales floor and sell them as DEMO models at huge discounts,you gotta do what you gotta do, The indys are more creative than the box stores,discounts,do their own financing,give aways,etc,they NEED and fight now more than ever, The internet is slowing up also,too many scams going on right now,it has to be cleaned up, As the master of the universe says HOLD ON BOYS AND GIRLS THE RIDES GOING TO BE LONG AND BUMPY....... MOLE
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Re: Refurbished vacuums on Overstock
Reply #36 Oct 19, 2008 5:51 pm |
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Hi Carmine, your response is right on the money,Spoken like a true professional of the trade.
Who sold the XXX for new?
MOLE
Hi MOLE:
Auction houses in the 50's and 60's on the Jersey shore would sell the Metro rebulit lux 30's as new in a box for whatever they could get. If the buyers ever looked at the underside of the Lux [after it was out of the box], they would see the Metro rebuilt paste on labels. Some never did see the labels until I pointed it out. Lux tried to put an end to it, but couldn't. Carmine D.
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