No sign of any New Dyson Vacuum yet! Original Message Aug 1, 2007 3:10 am
Wonder if there are any signs of a new vacuum coming out from Dyson? I here there is some new product due to launch end of 2007 and early 2008! Not sure what!
It's about time they launched the Dyson Digital Motor into other vacuums (not just the DC12 in Japan!). More and more vacuums in the UK are copying the dual and root cyclone technology as well!
The DC14 has had a re-launch into the new colours in the UK:
Re: No sign of any New Dyson Vacuum yet! Reply #31 Sep 26, 2008 3:15 pm
M00seUK wrote:
Great insights Motorhead, thanks.
Can someone explain to me the working of a self propelled vacuum cleaner? Is like an assisted gear arrangement, which makes it easier to push or pull?
The DC27 will be aimed at commercial and residential use? At $799 wouldn't it be a major theft target? Almost certainly using the digital motor, unless the resulting noise level would be too great for long term use.
The KnuckleDuster sounds promising. I've used the DC16 for car cleaning - great performance but the 6min run time makes it a proper race before the red light starts flashing! Drop the battery, add a coiled cord, make it more agile, include a powerhead it could be a winner in this market.
The DDM will likely be fitted to Dyson vacs as a standard part in the near future. But first they'll need to ensure it has proven reliability, reasonable noise levels and reduce the comparable manufacturing cost.
Hi Moose,
The typical working of a self-propelled cleaner (thinking of the Hoover Dial-A-Matic/Concept drive system to explain here, but Kirby works in a similar fashion) consists of a gearcase, directional control (linkage connecting to the handle), and two sets of pressure plates (right and left). The shaft is usually driven off of a separate belt from the motor and turns the moving part of the clutch system. When the handle is pulled back, the linkage engages the pressure plates on one side, transferring the power through the gearcase, and driving the wheels in that direction. The same happens when the handle is pulled back except it uses the other pressure plate and the wheels are driven in the opposite direction.
It is my understanding that the DC27's propulsion mechanism will consist of two separate motors and gearcases for each side.
Re: No sign of any New Dyson Vacuum yet! Reply #32 Sep 26, 2008 4:12 pm
I do believe Dave Oreck is very good and natural on camera. It is his overuse of adjectives to describe a function that makes him loose some of his natural credibility (take power for example - Dave will use about 4 or 5 different adjectives to describe his vacs power and do it in one sentence). His use of video (clips of his infomercial) and a video greeting of Dave himself (on the front page) is IMO, very good too. Video communicates information the best and I am surprised Dyson (and others) do not take advantage of this medium and host tutorials, demonstrate functions, comparisons, tours of their testing, design studios and bio lab, future school of innovation, etc.
Motorhead said... It is my understanding that the DC27's propulsion mechanism will consist of two separate motors and gearcases for each side.
Motohead, what is the advantage of separate motors. Thanks.
I just viewed an NBC news special on thieving and many Dyson’s are being stolen from Target and fenced (resold to the highest bidder in the nation) on eBay. An $800 vacuum has got to be tempting for the black-hearted. DIB
Re: No sign of any New Dyson Vacuum yet! Reply #33 Sep 26, 2008 5:03 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:
. . . Video communicates information the best and I am surprised Dyson (and others) do not take advantage of this medium and host tutorials, demonstrate functions, comparisons, tours of their testing, design studios and bio lab, future school of innovation, etc.
I just viewed an NBC news special on thieving and many Dyson’s are being stolen from Target and fenced (resold to the highest bidder in the nation) on eBay. An $800 vacuum has got to be tempting for the black-hearted. DIB
I personally saw a Dyson video center of sorts set up in a big-box store a few years back. An ongoing video loop showed the vacuum in use on floor and above floor and the video also demonstrated the mannewr in which to empty the machine. It was helpful but the store apparently let the ball drop by not providing consistant staffing for questions. I don't know how long it had already been there come my day to view it but it was unmanned on that day.
It appears to be presumed that items sold on eBay are legit. As well, law authorities don't seem to be aggresively pushing for any measures to either better protect consumers or hinder crooks. Also, this is probably one more nightmare that's more of our own making. Our culture is seldom left ot feel that "good" is good enough. We are prodded and pushed to always want the newest, "best" and most fashionable thing. Engineered discontent often leads to disproportionate spending and this is what happens when the ultimate car or pair of sneakers or vacuum cleaner -- sworn to have no match -- are foisted on a public made to feel worth is estimated only in terms of money or the look of money.
I don't think that buyers of the goods in mention are necessarily the black-hearted sort but merely everyday folks just trying to buy into the American dream at the best price possible. As we've been learning from recent news, their chances are growing slim.
Re: No sign of any New Dyson Vacuum yet! Reply #34 Sep 26, 2008 7:27 pm
Venson wrote:
I personally saw a Dyson video center of sorts set up in a big-box store a few years back. An ongoing video loop showed the vacuum in use on floor and above floor and the video also demonstrated the mannewr in which to empty the machine. It was helpful but the store apparently let the ball drop by not providing consistant staffing for questions. I don't know how long it had already been there come my day to view it but it was unmanned on that day.
Venson
Hi Venson:
I recall viewing such a video. I thought the dirt bin dumping was 'staged' to give a better spin than actual real life. Why? The lady user had a slightly filled dirt bin primarily with particles/granules of debris and minimal rug dust/dirt. She held the dirt bin over the trash can and allowed the bin stuff to cascade slowly down into the trash can. Why? To prevent the dust cloud from coming back up from the trash can too quickly and forcibly. As soon as the cloud did begin to rise up, the video panned away from the dumping demo and back to the vacuum in use.
Carmine D.
This message was modified Sep 26, 2008 by CarmineD
Re: No sign of any New Dyson Vacuum yet! Reply #35 Sep 27, 2008 7:10 am
MOOse and D.I.B. your replys are well taken they both hit the mark.
D.I.B please dont take this the wrong way but do you have any real problems with large companies?Is it that large corporations are just some type of money making machine. unregulated non performing Ponzi schemes?
Re: No sign of any New Dyson Vacuum yet! Reply #36 Sep 27, 2008 7:17 am
Motorhead wrote:
Hi Moose,
...directional control (linkage connecting to the handle), and two sets of pressure plates (right and left). The shaft is usually driven off of a separate belt from the motor and turns the moving part of the clutch system. When the handle is pulled back, the linkage engages the pressure plates on one side, transferring the power through the gearcase, and driving the wheels in that direction. The same happens when the handle is pulled back except it uses the other pressure plate and the wheels are driven in the opposite direction.
-MH
MH, M00seUK:
Good description of the SP operation.
With HOOVER, the directional linkage is commonly called the "clutch cable." HOOVER-s have a button in the handle grip which puts the "transmission" in neutral and allows users to wheel the Power drives/Concepts from room to room without the need for carrying. A draw back of the SP is that when/if the clutch/transmission are disabled, there was no manual default on the SP vacuum to push and pull easily over the rugs to operate. It was dead in the water [or should I say carpet?]. And of course in HOOVER's case it added over 5 pounds to the vacuum.
Re: No sign of any New Dyson Vacuum yet! Reply #38 Sep 27, 2008 8:20 am
CarmineD wrote:
Dave genuinely enjoys pitching his ORECK name/products nationwide. Keeps him young. His joy and entertainment in life. He's probably the most recognizable face of the household appliance industry. If he enjoys it, why not? He's earned the right to be out there front and center with his products, regardless of the expense. How many people in their 80's have the opportunity and choose to exercise it like Dave? He's one of kind.
Re: No sign of any New Dyson Vacuum yet! Reply #39 Sep 27, 2008 8:43 am
HARDSELL wrote:
None of what you said adds value to the machine.
Hello HS:
Selling a product as Dave does, or Jim Perdue [use your own favorite pitch person] doesn't add value to it, nor is it meant to. Using the product does! The giveaways and grandfatherly sales pitch are to encourage people, who normally would not, to try the product. Now, the free in home 30 day ORECK guarantee without obligation and allowing customers to keep the giveaways even if they return the ORECK, does add value. Why? Dave is rewarding the customer at his expense for taking their time and effort to test the product.
Recall recently, and perhaps still, that your fave brand [the subject of this thread] sold the Hand Held for $50 [a $150 MSRP] to customers with the purchase of any full size vacuum. Does this sales promotion diminish the value of the Hand Held? Does it send the message to people that its worth is not $150, but one-third the MSRP? You've made that claim with ORECK and the use of giveaways. Does it apply too with your brand?
Carmine D.
This message was modified Sep 27, 2008 by CarmineD
Re: No sign of any New Dyson Vacuum yet! Reply #40 Sep 27, 2008 8:57 am
Venson, My reference to black-hearted was aimed at thieves. Knowingly buying stolen merchandise or stolen property is too black-hearted. Good folk do not knowingly buy stolen merchandise. My belief and what I have heard from eBayer’s is, most eBayer's do not know or want to know the source of NIB merchandise.
Recent news on Dyson’s being stolen... http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080924/NEWS01/809240375/1043/NEWS01
Mole, I have no problem with mom and pop sized corporations nor do I have a problem with multibillion dollar corporations. As I have said before, innovation and playing fair is what I look for in people and businesses. I do enjoy pointing out (over and over) the lack of talent for innovation at most of these billion plus dollar corporations (vacuum manufacturers). It is quite funny to watch.
