Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

I just came across what appears to be a press release regarding, Fresh Ins packets that contain scented baking soda crystals.  Arm & Hammer already produces a bunch of deodorizing disposable bags plus filters for many brands of vacs.  The claim in regard to Fresh Ins is that the product can be dumped into any vacuum, bagged or bagless, to neutralize pet odor and has twice the dedorizing power of Arm & Hammer's bags.  Per the article, the packets sell for about $2.50 for nine packets. Link is here -- http://www.courant.com/features/home/hc-faqpetfresh.artaug06,0,7643952.story?track=rss

Nice idea but I also liked the company provision for info through its "Jill's Secret Solutions" page -- http://armandhammer.com/default.aspx?ITEMID=4  There are all sorts of tips on how to use just plain old cheap baking soda around the house.

One of Jill's ideas is to go directly to the source and give dogs a deodorizing dry bath, sprinkle it on-brush it out, with baking soda.  I also suggest IF you have a quiet vacuum with hose, try vacuuming Rover.  DO NOT use tools with moving parts like air-powered turbo tools, etc.  DO USE a straight suction upholstery tool or dusting brush with the suction relief open or motor speed reduced and stay away from your animals ears and head. 

Your cat or dog of course has to go for the idea and it should not be forced on them.  However, if you've got an animal that likes a thrill, the feel of cool air pulling through its fur as you give it a going over is quite enjoyable.  I remember that my dog began to fall out on the floor waiting to be done with the bare floor tool just about every time I turned the cleaner on.  This is also helpful in that the fur and dandruff you dislodge goes straight into the vacuum. Regular grooming of any kind may help reduce reduce the amount of shed hair and dander you have to tackle come cleaning day.

Best,

Venson

I do applaud the home grown uses for baking soda, vinegar, and hydrogen peroxide.   Love those old fashioned household remedies.

Carmine D.

Sand doesn't occur naturally in all environments.  Neither does dog hair.  Dust and dirt occur naturally in all environments. 

A reader mentioned that they would be testing new vacs and asked for recommended tests.  I suggested baking soda for testing a vacuums performance on hard surfaces since so many vacuums blow more dust / dirt than they collect .  You became defensive of this test because you know that the test would show the inferiority of Oreck and so many others.  You also know that baking soda would clog the bag very quickly if vacuumed in large quantities.  Only then did I suggest that you try it with your Oreck and report back.  I haven't heard the results.

I'm so sorry if you inferred that I contradicted you and your recommended test.  That was not my intention at all.  I was referring ONLY to my use of baking soda for a bare floor test, since sand occurs so abundantly and naturally here in the desert. 

BTW, the paper bag in the ORECK is 6 quarts.  This is one of the largest paper bags in the vacuum industry.  I literally vacuum up several pounds of sand with pet hair and household dust/dirt before I replace a bag.  I have not had a single instance of a clogged bag in over a year's worth of daily ORECK usage.  

Do you still think it is practical and necessary for me to do the baking soda test to see if an ORECK bag will/will not clog?  What difference would it make TO ME, if it did?

Hello again Venson:

If Arm and Hammer made bags to fit the ORECK [ORECK doesn't use filters], I would most definitely buy/experiment with the bag product.  I use the cheapest ORECK brand of paper bags and have been impressed with their quality and performace.  The cost is about $2 per bag.  A bag lasts for almost 2 months and even then, it is not full when I replace. 

Carmine D.

Carmine,

Everything is not about you.  You were very adamant that baking soda was not a good test for simulating dust.  However you were persistant in using kapok.    Not all homes have dog and cat hair.  All homes have dust and dirt so the kapok is not as good for testing as BS.. Having visited LV I have no doubt that you have lots of sand to vacuum.  Sand is not prevelant in all regions so others have different testing needs.  Again,  my original recommendation to use BS was not to you. 

You might get a lb of sand before clogging a bag.  I have serious doubts that you could get a lb of dust and dirt without losing suction since it is not so great even with a new bag.  I am not surprised that an Oreck bag lasts a year since it leaves so much dirt behind.  I never had a Dyson to clog or lose suction. 

I do not think it ir practical for you to do the test to justify your application since you vacuum mostly sand and dog hair.  I do think it is practical for those withe the proper need.

What difference does it make to me and millions of others if your Dyson did not pass your carpet test so long as it works for us?

Contrary to your belief the world does not always have your needs nor should they share your beliefs.

Hiya Carmine,

This link has been giving me trouble this evening but did work for me earlier in the day -- http://www.armhammervac.com/prod_cats/oreck.html

If it fails to get you to the Oreck bag listing maybe trying the "Jill's Secret Solutions" link will get you to the vacuum bags.  Click on the vacuum cleaner icon.

Walmart stocks a bunch of Arm & Hammer bags for Hoover and Eureka but nothing turned up when I searched for Oreck accessories.

Best,

Venson

Thanks for the link.  I'll research what's available for ORECK in the way of replacement bags by A&H.

Carmine D.

With all the productive uses for baking soda around the home, using it as a test substance to vacuum up and throw away is, IMHO, a waste of time and money.  Especially when other household debris, like sand and/or common household dirt/dust and household by-products, are free, in abundant supply, useless around the home, and certainly more worthy of waste and disposal than a fine multi useful product like baking soda. 

For example, dried out, used coffee grinds are an excellent test substance for vacuums on bare floors AND rugs.  If dried by natural sunlight, they have no odor whatsoever.  And used dried coffee grinds can be weighed before and after pick up by the user to measure vacuum performance.  A unique characteristic of used dried coffee grinds, unlike most other test substances, is that they hold steadfast to their original mass and volume.  Much better than baking soda which is powdery and breaks down/disintegrates/evaporates from the pressure and force of revolving brush rolls and normal vacuuming. 

As the old school saying goes: Waste not/want not!

Carmine D.

A one pound box of baking soda is $ .50.  I will type slowly so you can understand.  Soda is boxed and ready to go.  Who wants to dig up dirt and sand to take to a demo?  I do understand that you are reluctant to admit that the Oreck would fail the test.  Did I tell you how I got a free Dyson?

Another unique characteristic of coff is that it is oily whether moist or dry.  It also is less likely to clog bag pores like soda.  It is evident that you know you are wrong about this test. 

Interesting article.  A&H uses crystallized baking soda to prevent seeping out of the vacuum [a problem with the powdery substance].  And its an exclusive at Wal*Mart stores.  I actually bought it from Wal*Mart and use it.  Where?  In my sand filled backyard for the steel trash can I use for the dog's poop. Works great.  It neutralizes the odor from the contained dog poop.  Not completely, but making it more bearable when the lid is opened.  

It appears that A&H have ORECK bags and filters [based on the name brands listed on its Web site for products] but I can't get a product number and price for the ORECK replacements bags/filters [the latter presumably for the canns].  I get the same responses on the Site that you did.

Carmine D.

Sounds like you got a great deal: A pound of baking soda for $.50.  Sounds like its cheaper by the pounds than it use to be in days past when it came in small little ounce boxes.  I always liked the graphics on the box.  Arm with a hammer.  Great logo. 

If the household baking soda were not so light and powdery, it would make a better vacuum test substance, IMHO.  The powder tends to seep out of the vacuum and evaporate [verified by A&H in the article Venson posted].  As such, it's not the ideal test substance for measuring before and after by the tester/user to determine a vacuum's performance.

Carmine D.