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techphet
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Considering the Simplicity Synergy...
Original Message Jul 24, 2008 7:12 pm |
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I started the thread about lead cleanup and the Eureka sealed-HEPA system... I'm now looking at spending the extra dollars to purchase the Simplicity Synergy. The price tag alone makes me worry that the Eureka sealed HEPA isn't as impressive as the marketing makes it sound. Again, I know a vacuum cleaner alone isn't a solution to a lead-paint chipping problem but I am venturing to guess that the right vacuum cleaner (with a sealed HEPA system) will improve the situation while the wrong vacuum cleaner (an inexpensive Bissell or Eureka) may actually make the situation worse. I cringe to think that every time I'm vacuuming I'm just blowing more lead dust up into the air and making the environment more hazardous than it was to begin with. The Simplicity salesman I spoke with told me that the Synergy air filtration was "hospital grade." I also remember reading on here that "hospital grade" is not necessarily a good thing. Can anyone elaborate on this? Is $700 a reasonable price for a Synergy (this is marked down $200 with a trade-in). I've seen the Minuteman Lead HEPA for $625 here. Any opinions on if the filtration of the Synergy would be equal to or better than this Minuteman Lead HEPA? I also forgot to ask the Simplicity salesman about canister vacuums- would these be less expensive? He did confirm that a bagless vacuum is not the way to go- I will not be purchasing one of these. Thanks again, Tech |
Venson
Joined: Jul 23, 2007
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Re: Considering the Simplicity Synergy...
Reply #48 Aug 3, 2008 10:55 am |
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Sounds like the Miele, which you were never very keen on, has made a true believer and convert of you. I'm not the least bit surprised you are impressed by it. Carmine D.
Howdy Carmine,
I have not been keen on Miele more due to price than ability. Yes, I like mine very much but only purchased it because I had a little mad money on hand to allow the purchase. That said I am happy to relate what I feel the machine can do but still feel great caution is called for in recommending it over less costly but good canister vacs. There's no such thing as a "be all, end all" vacuum. I feel the same about Kirby, a knockout rug cleaner. It does a great job but just costs too much. There are lots of vacuums that would be nice buy but there are comparable alternates for less money. Meaning -- there's always more than one way to skin a cat. You can set out on the road to anywhere you choose in either a Mercedes or an old Ford pick-up and still make your destination. The issue basically lies in the level of comfort, ease and safety either vehicle affords your travel. However, though the ideal might be the Mercedes -- or so we're told -- not all of us could afford one and would have to set our aim for something less when the thing that counts is getting there. Best, Venson
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CarmineD
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Re: Considering the Simplicity Synergy...
Reply #49 Aug 3, 2008 6:21 pm |
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Hello Venson: Very well said. The $50 vacuum if used frequently [and not abused], and maintained by the user will provide as good service and performance, if not better, than the $500 plus vacuum that collects dust in the closet. Carmine D.
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Motorhead
Joined: Nov 2, 2007
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Re: Considering the Simplicity Synergy...
Reply #50 Aug 3, 2008 6:44 pm |
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Hi guys, I've been really happy with the bagged Miele S5980 I got as it's been proving itself to be more than just a name. The GN IntensiveClean bags I'm using with it are not the biggest disposable bags made but you can pick up an awful lot of stuff and still clean well. Once you fit one into the cleaner it appears that the corners of the bag stay clear and allow for a longer continuance of airflow. On removing a bag I have found only a minute amount of dust in just one small spot below the bottom of the bag, directly below its inlet. This is not an unusual occurence in many bagged canisters but Miele has further accommodated by placing a perforated shield inside the disposable bag in that works at keeping dust from being blasted through the bag wall. My best proof is that today, a few bag changes down the line, I decided to wipe out the bag chamber to see how clean it was. I lightly dampened a paper towel with a little window cleaner, thoroughly wiped out the bag chamber and found no noticable dust. That said, there's a very good bagless vacuum here at my place but it in no way matches up to the convenience of the Miele regarding dust disposal. Yes of course, the Miele bags are a bit pricey but they offer near perfect dust containment and each have a built-in sealing device to cover the inlet on the bag.when removed. You really don't touch anything nasty. This is a far cry from having to dump out bagless machine's collection and manually remove statically charged material, like pet hair and dust, that often clings to the inside of the plastic bin. The best I can say for bagless vacuums is that a decent machine may well help the economy-minded and folks who think green but I feel there's definitely more of a challenge when it comes to maintenance. Empty bag to full, this Miele has provided good cleaning ability with a little fussing about. Venson Hi Venson, I can't believe I failed to mention the Miele, that's another exception to my above statement. Another excellent bagged brand where the bag cannot come adrift while vacuuming, with a plastic bag collar that is not susceptible to deforming like cardboard collars. And a self-sealing bag! -MH
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CarmineD
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Re: Considering the Simplicity Synergy...
Reply #51 Aug 4, 2008 6:56 am |
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Hi Venson,
I can't believe I failed to mention the Miele, that's another exception to my above statement. Another excellent bagged brand where the bag cannot come adrift while vacuuming, with a plastic bag collar that is not susceptible to deforming like cardboard collars. And a self-sealing bag!
-MH
Hello Motor:
I would agree on the Miele bags. Excellent craftsmanship. Well worth the price. Miele takes great pride in its bags and devotes alot of careful attention to their details. Would you say that the Electrolux bags, even Genuine, with the cardboard collars and rubber seals become deformed and then adrift and leak dirt/dust? Or is Lux an exception to your "cardboard collar bags coming adrift?" Carmine D.
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"There is no BEST or PERFECT vacuum cleaner"
"Take care of your vacuum, then your vacuum will take care of you"
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Re: Considering the Simplicity Synergy...
Reply #52 Aug 4, 2008 1:11 pm |
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Hi Tech,
Had you bought a Perfect which is the new name for the Electrolux, you would have gotten a metal-bodied vacuum with HEPA bags. The bags are sealed, and they cannot come adrift. There is no way that an Electrolux bag would leak dust under any circumstances unless it gets wet. This machine uses the HEPA cloth bags which makes the filtration even better. It's a classic design that will clean any home no matter where you live. It's durable, powerful, and versatile. It happens to be, in my opinion, one of the best values in a vacuum cleaner I've ever seen. It really is perfect. Not to mention the combination dusting brush/upholstery tool is the best in the world and has been since Electrolux invented it in 1965. It has never been superseded.
Would you want the bag to leak dust when you're picking up lead paint chips? Of course not. I would return the "Complexity" and ask for a Perfect (Electrolux).
-MH But wait, I thought you earlier said, "Simplicity is a very well-made brand that will last for many years to come, so plan on keeping the machine at least 15 years (as I've seen). And with the sealed HEPA system you won't have to worry about picking up lead paint chips, either". The Simplicity/Riccar canisters have a very good bag system. The bag collar slides into the holder and is not able to come out easily. The compartment lid will not close if said bag is not installed properly. All anyone has to do is read the instruction manual of any vacuum cleaner they purchase. Then they should have no trouble at all. These HiFlow HEPA bags are the second generation. The first used sticky paper to cover the bag opening, to seal be bag, when the bag was removed. Now, all one has to do is pull the tab on the collar, which closes the bag opening. As for the Perfect brand. No, that is not the new name for Electrolux. ABElectrolux and Aerus have no business w/the company who has the machine made for them, in China.
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Motorhead
Joined: Nov 2, 2007
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Re: Considering the Simplicity Synergy...
Reply #53 Aug 4, 2008 5:17 pm |
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Hello Motor: I would agree on the Miele bags. Excellent craftsmanship. Well worth the price. Miele takes great pride in its bags and devotes alot of careful attention to their details. Would you say that the Electrolux bags, even Genuine, with the cardboard collars and rubber seals become deformed and then adrift and leak dirt/dust? Or is Lux an exception to your "cardboard collar bags coming adrift?" Carmine D. Obviously you have never seen a Perfect bag. The cardboard collar is as thick as it was on the Model LX "wrapper". There is no way it could bend in, and there's also no way the dirt could go anywhere except *into* the bag due to the two rubber seals in place. One on the inside of the bag cover, and one on the bag itself. -MH
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Motorhead
Joined: Nov 2, 2007
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Re: Considering the Simplicity Synergy...
Reply #54 Aug 4, 2008 5:22 pm |
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But wait, I thought you earlier said, "Simplicity is a very well-made brand that will last for many years to come, so plan on keeping the machine at least 15 years (as I've seen). And with the sealed HEPA system you won't have to worry about picking up lead paint chips, either".
The Simplicity/Riccar canisters have a very good bag system. The bag collar slides into the holder and is not able to come out easily. The compartment lid will not close if said bag is not installed properly. All anyone has to do is read the instruction manual of any vacuum cleaner they purchase. Then they should have no trouble at all. These HiFlow HEPA bags are the second generation. The first used sticky paper to cover the bag opening, to seal be bag, when the bag was removed. Now, all one has to do is pull the tab on the collar, which closes the bag opening.
As for the Perfect brand. No, that is not the new name for Electrolux. ABElectrolux and Aerus have no business w/the company who has the machine made for them, in China.
Like the Tacony uprights, I had assumed that the canisters were made in the US as well but I recently found out they are not, much to my surprise. When I said the machine would last close to 15 years, it was the upright I was referring to. Is the Simplicity Verve made by Daewoo in Korea, by LG, or someone else? -MH
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