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techphet
Joined: Jul 24, 2008
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Considering the Simplicity Synergy...
Original Message Jul 24, 2008 7:12 pm |
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I started the thread about lead cleanup and the Eureka sealed-HEPA system... I'm now looking at spending the extra dollars to purchase the Simplicity Synergy. The price tag alone makes me worry that the Eureka sealed HEPA isn't as impressive as the marketing makes it sound. Again, I know a vacuum cleaner alone isn't a solution to a lead-paint chipping problem but I am venturing to guess that the right vacuum cleaner (with a sealed HEPA system) will improve the situation while the wrong vacuum cleaner (an inexpensive Bissell or Eureka) may actually make the situation worse. I cringe to think that every time I'm vacuuming I'm just blowing more lead dust up into the air and making the environment more hazardous than it was to begin with. The Simplicity salesman I spoke with told me that the Synergy air filtration was "hospital grade." I also remember reading on here that "hospital grade" is not necessarily a good thing. Can anyone elaborate on this? Is $700 a reasonable price for a Synergy (this is marked down $200 with a trade-in). I've seen the Minuteman Lead HEPA for $625 here. Any opinions on if the filtration of the Synergy would be equal to or better than this Minuteman Lead HEPA? I also forgot to ask the Simplicity salesman about canister vacuums- would these be less expensive? He did confirm that a bagless vacuum is not the way to go- I will not be purchasing one of these. Thanks again, Tech
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dusty
Joined: Feb 8, 2008
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Re: Considering the Simplicity Synergy...
Reply #20 Jul 31, 2008 10:14 pm |
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I spent a few hours vacuuming half my house. I took a look in the bag compartment and I was a bit surprised at what I saw. What do you all make of this image? Perhaps I am not using the HiFlow HEPA bag? I removed most of the dust by hand. The majority of it was clumped up on the motor filter. The exterior of the vacuum itself looks pristine. Also, is the vacuum supposed to ship with an instruction manual? I found an opened bag at the bottom of the box that the vacuum was in and although the box did not seem to have a second layer of tape on it or anything it seems as though the vacuum may have been lightly used before. Not a big deal to me but I would like the manual if there is one (I checked the website and did not find a PDF). I'll give the store a call tomorrow. Tech From the looks of things I'd say you have either a previously used machine or the bag wasn't seated properly into the bag holder. There is no other reason for that amount of dust to be in the chamber, not even after a year of household use. The machines do indeed come with a manual and registration card. I'd be making a return trip back to the dealer to find out what's going on. Dusty
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Motorhead
Joined: Nov 2, 2007
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Re: Considering the Simplicity Synergy...
Reply #21 Jul 31, 2008 10:16 pm |
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I spent a few hours vacuuming half my house. I took a look in the bag compartment and I was a bit surprised at what I saw. What do you all make of this image? Perhaps I am not using the HiFlow HEPA bag? I removed most of the dust by hand. The majority of it was clumped up on the motor filter. The exterior of the vacuum itself looks pristine. Also, is the vacuum supposed to ship with an instruction manual? I found an opened bag at the bottom of the box that the vacuum was in and although the box did not seem to have a second layer of tape on it or anything it seems as though the vacuum may have been lightly used before. Not a big deal to me but I would like the manual if there is one (I checked the website and did not find a PDF). I'll give the store a call tomorrow. Tech Looks like the bag was not attached properly in the store. Not even a Eureka H bag (notorious for leaking dirt) did that on the first use! You definitely don't want that happening when vacuuming up lead paint shavings. At any rate I would take the vacuum back to the store and inquire about the machine. Hopefully you did not get "burned" from a less-than-reputable dealer but there are plenty of them out there and that does happen. And at least now you have a good excuse to upgrade to the cloth Filtrete-style bags! -MH
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techphet
Joined: Jul 24, 2008
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Re: Considering the Simplicity Synergy...
Reply #22 Jul 31, 2008 10:59 pm |
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Motorhead, I'm unfamiliar with the cloth "Filtre style" bags. These are better than the Simplicity "HEPA bags" I take it? I'll inquire when I'm at the store. I'm hoping they will not have an issue exchanging this unit for a brand new one. I'm quite unhappy to have paid as much as I did for it only to have one use make it dirtier than it would be after a year of use. I guess I'll see how my dealer's customer service is. Tech
This message was modified Jul 31, 2008 by techphet
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"There is no BEST or PERFECT vacuum cleaner"
"Take care of your vacuum, then your vacuum will take care of you"
Joined: Dec 1, 2004
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Re: Considering the Simplicity Synergy...
Reply #25 Aug 1, 2008 3:26 am |
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I spent a few hours vacuuming half my house. I took a look in the bag compartment and I was a bit surprised at what I saw. What do you all make of this image? Perhaps I am not using the HiFlow HEPA bag? I removed most of the dust by hand. The majority of it was clumped up on the motor filter. The exterior of the vacuum itself looks pristine. Also, is the vacuum supposed to ship with an instruction manual? I found an opened bag at the bottom of the box that the vacuum was in and although the box did not seem to have a second layer of tape on it or anything it seems as though the vacuum may have been lightly used before. Not a big deal to me but I would like the manual if there is one (I checked the website and did not find a PDF). Tech I stand behind my previous statement. The inside of the compartment should not look like that. Even if you used the blue microlined bags, it would not look like that. The Simplicity HiFlow HEPA bags work really well. There are a few things that may have happened. Did you look inside before you started cleaning at home? I am wondering if you received it like this or if it happened on "your watch". When you opened and discovered this, was there quite a bit around the bag opening? There is very little chance that this bag was put in wrong, because it only goes in one way. If the collar in not completely locked into its holder, the lid will not close and you will not be able to use the vacuum cleaner. The machine-end of the hose is inserted inside the bag. The membrane around the opening helps seal the dust in. If the bag is not completely locked into place, the hose will not insert. Look all around the bag for holes, tears or excessive discoloration on bag. These bags are more difficult to tear, but it can happen. Look behind the bag collar and see if there is any tear where the bag is attached to the cardboard. Open up the exhaust filter cover and remove the filter and inspect it. What do you see? The Verve could have been purchased and returned or used as a demo, then boxed up and left a secret. When the Simplicity is unpacked, most of the parts are wrapped pretty well. The main unit should have been wrapped in the large plastic bag and not found at the bottom of the box. That is a clue right there. You must pay the shop a visit. Get the manual, because it cost a pretty penny.
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Considering the Simplicity Synergy...
Reply #26 Aug 1, 2008 7:29 am |
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Hello David Tech: Bad new vacuum experience! It happens. Very shoddy for the store to let the Verve leave the store without the Users Manual/bad paper bag/installation. It happens! Inexperience by the store staff/busy with several customers...........whatever. It happens. The issue now is as you said: Customer service! Questions to ask the store sales person: Is the bag pictured in the vacuum the original equipment paper bag installed from the factory? Did the Verve ship from the factory without a Users Manual? If yes to either, it's a factory problem. If no to either, and the store inserted a new HEPA filtrete, and removed the Users Manual, then it's a store problem. Either way, the store owner/operator has the responsibility to make it right and satisfy you, the customer. I'm inclined to believe the later since the Users Manual was missing. Let's go on the latter assumption. The store staff removed the original bag in the Verve [for whatever reason] and replaced it with a new bag that was bad/installed incorrectly. The store should make it right and provide you with a User's Manual plus something extra. Don't call. Go in person to the store with the Verve. With the questions I posed above in your mind to ask. Talk with the store person who made the sale. Just open up the bag compartment and ask him/her what would cause this to happen? Let the store tell you what happened. Also ask: Why didn't the vacuum's fail safe shutoff switch work? [MOLE's point]. Solution: This is a correctable problem with an answer that only the store's owner/operator knows for sure. If you paid the full price for a new Verve, then the store should sell you a new Verve in a box with the paper bag installed from the factory and a Users Manual. Not a demo/display that has most probably been tampered and/or manipulated [either by the store staff/customers] to cause the problems you had: No manual and a bad bag/installation. If you learn from the store staff that this Verve was in fact a store demo/display [customer return?], and it insists you must keep it [after they correct the dirt/bag problem] ask for a discount from the price you paid. Substantial discount if a customer return! Stand your ground. The store has to satisfy you. Compromise position: If you don't get a new Verve, and/or a substantial discount for buying a demo/display [customer return?] , ask for a supply of the HEPA filtrette bags. A year's supply would equate to 8-10 bags. That's the least the store can do after it corrects the vacuum's problems. Keep us posted on your progress. On a postive note, you now know for sure that the Verve vacuum is completely sealed since the dirt in the bag compartment never leaked out and onto the outside of the vacuum and/or into the air your breathe. Had this happened, you would have stopped and opened the vacuum up to investigate sooner minimizing the effect of the bad bag/installation. Carmine D.
This message was modified Aug 1, 2008 by CarmineD
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techphet
Joined: Jul 24, 2008
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Re: Considering the Simplicity Synergy...
Reply #28 Aug 2, 2008 6:37 am |
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Mike, Carmine, Lucky Thanks for the advice. I plan on stopping at the store today if the manager is in, otherwise Tuesday. Mole, The vacuum never shut itself off. The bag was already installed. I had opened and closed the bag compartment as I was ensuring that the motor filter was clean (there was a very light amount of dust in the hose). The bag compartment and motor filter were spotless when I had looked inside.
Tech
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Considering the Simplicity Synergy...
Reply #29 Aug 2, 2008 6:52 am |
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Mole,
The vacuum never shut itself off. The bag was already installed. I had opened and closed the bag compartment as I was ensuring that the motor filter was clean (there was a very light amount of dust in the hose). The bag compartment and motor filter were spotless when I had looked inside.
Tech
Hi David:
Something went awry with the bag/installation either before you bought the Verve and/or after. Perhaps you did it, perhaps not. The store owner/operator and you will determine once you take it in and discuss. He/she will ask you what you did and how you did it [opening and closing the bag compartment]. And he/she will correct you if you made a mistake. He/she, as Lucky and others said, should have walked you through the bag installation referring to the User Manual while doing so, regardless of how easy/difficult the task. It's part of the demo and sales process. Dust in the hose is not an issue. Sometimes you shut the power switch before all the dirt makes its way through the hose to the bag. If you are concerned about it, perform this simple task. Before you shut off the Verve, hold your hand over the tool end of the hose as though you were testing the suction at the end of the hose. Block the hose opening for a few seconds with your hand and then remove your hand. Do this a few times until all the dirt is pulled through the hose into the bag. Then shut off. This is probably a good practice to get into considering the asbestos and lead conditions you have. Ask about the fail safe switch shut off. Keep us posted. Carmine D.
This message was modified Aug 2, 2008 by CarmineD
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