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Vacuumfreeeke


Joined: May 9, 2008
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comparing the dyson with the 90's fantoms
Original Message   Jul 21, 2008 11:24 am
I was just watching my Fantom Fury video (have the video, not the machine though I was obsessed with them as a teenager) and it said that if the dirt in the chamber ever stopped spinning, the user should check the machine for a clog. 

My Dyson DC14 actually has baffles in the dirt chamber that inhibit spinning of the dirt.  When I vacuum with it, the dirt just kind of lays in the chamber without moving.  The cat hair usually gets stuck on the baffles, and the heavier sand falls to the back of the chamber as the reclined position of the handle would dictate. 
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DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
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Re: comparing the dyson with the 90's fantoms
Reply #6   Jul 21, 2008 3:49 pm
Vacuumfreeeke wrote:
Dysininventsbig... I never understood the dyson-fantom connection. Is there a place online where I can read more about it?

Hardsell... I never said my Dyson didn't pick anything up. I said that it was out performed by a much cheaper cleaner. I was disappointed by this, because I expected it to live up to the hype. I now believe that my machine is working how it is supposed to... but it isn't what the hype lead me to believe.

Hi Vacuumfreeke,

If you like reading how the little guy can win even when attacked by multi-million dollar corporations then get James’s autobiography – “Against the Odds”.  You can find it online and cheap.  In his book James lays out everything and tells of the many who rip him off or attempt to rip him off.  To his credit he retaliates or complains little (in his book) and to his greater credit you NEVER hear him bad-mouth those who mistreated or stole from him when interviewed, he’s an optimist.  I do not comprehend folks attacking such a mild and nice guy.  The patent office shows all his vacuums and you can see for yourself that NO ONE pre-dates James’s clear bin with a cyclone/s which is copied and is the standard today.  He may or may not be the first with no loss of suction but was indeed the first with a well thought out consumer friendly product that worked and worked great.  I appreciate those who “invent radical or different - outside of the box widgets” like the Filter Queen perhaps and more so the water vacuum, but the big consumer markets want Dyson-styled vacuums and manufacturers are falling over themselves to patent (pending) and copy the mechanics of the Dyson’s.        DIB

 

Check this out…

http://www.amquix.info/amway_dyson.html


Vacuumfreeeke


Joined: May 9, 2008
Points: 105

Re: comparing the dyson with the 90's fantoms
Reply #7   Jul 21, 2008 6:33 pm
The hype I was referring to is that the Dyson is supposed to be a more superior vacuum than other machines as reported by glowing reviews.  I excpected bin after bin of dirt to come up in each home I tried it in and it didn't happen.  I do like the machine, but Dyson as a company seems to enjoy lying to consumers.  Rexiar preceeded Dyson by decades as the first vacuum that doesn't lose suction and calling non-existent height adjustment automatic is also misleading.  Lots of consumers also complain about lack of a headlight, but I don't really care about that.

DIB, that was in interesting story.  Is Jame's relationship with Iona in his autobiography?

HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: comparing the dyson with the 90's fantoms
Reply #8   Jul 21, 2008 8:12 pm
Vacuumfreeeke wrote:
The hype I was referring to is that the Dyson is supposed to be a more superior vacuum than other machines as reported by glowing reviews.  I excpected bin after bin of dirt to come up in each home I tried it in and it didn't happen.  I do like the machine, but Dyson as a company seems to enjoy lying to consumers.  Rexiar preceeded Dyson by decades as the first vacuum that doesn't lose suction and calling non-existent height adjustment automatic is also misleading.  Lots of consumers also complain about lack of a headlight, but I don't really care about that.

DIB, that was in interesting story.  Is Jame's relationship with Iona in his autobiography?



If a home has been vacumed thoroughly on a frequent basis I would not expect to fill a Dyson on a single use.  I have owned both DC07 and DC14.  Never had your bad experiences.  I did prefer the 07.   I bought the XL21, Kenmore, Panasonic, Bissell HH and others.  The DC07 out performed them all.

Remember you bought a used ( more like an abused ) vacuum.  I believe most dealers will tell you that most used vacuums have been abused.  Do you really think that they just put them out for sale without inspection and repairs?  Dyson does not advertise to be indestructible.  None are.    I have found many more negative reports on Hoover WT's that were purchased new and self destructed in a few months.

Vacuumfreeeke


Joined: May 9, 2008
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Re: comparing the dyson with the 90's fantoms
Reply #9   Jul 21, 2008 8:44 pm
Yes, I bought a (ab)used vacuum, but I know enough about vacuums to know if mine is working.   I replaced the filters and cleaned the cyclone, and the brush seems to be spinning just fine.  Its performance actually reminds me of the DC07 (which I much prefer, I see we agree there... what are your reasons for liking it better) that I sold at Sears when Dyson first hit the US.  
Vacuumfreeeke


Joined: May 9, 2008
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Re: comparing the dyson with the 90's fantoms
Reply #10   Jul 21, 2008 8:44 pm
Yes, I bought a (ab)used vacuum, but I know enough about vacuums to know if mine is working.   I replaced the filters and cleaned the cyclone, and the brush seems to be spinning just fine.  Its performance actually reminds me of the DC07 (which I much prefer, I see we agree there... what are your reasons for liking it better) that I sold at Sears when Dyson first hit the US.  
HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: comparing the dyson with the 90's fantoms
Reply #11   Jul 21, 2008 9:11 pm
Vacuumfreeeke wrote:
Yes, I bought a (ab)used vacuum, but I know enough about vacuums to know if mine is working.   I replaced the filters and cleaned the cyclone, and the brush seems to be spinning just fine.  Its performance actually reminds me of the DC07 (which I much prefer, I see we agree there... what are your reasons for liking it better) that I sold at Sears when Dyson first hit the US.  



The 07 had better suction, at the brush and the hose.  Carpet looded more groomed with the 07.  There seemed to be more dirt in the 07 canister. 

If you like the 07 better how does the 14 remind you of it?

 Do you want me to give a duplicatge answer for your duplicate post? 

Vacuumfreeeke


Joined: May 9, 2008
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Re: comparing the dyson with the 90's fantoms
Reply #12   Jul 21, 2008 9:36 pm
The performance of the 14 is similar.  However, I'd much rather flip the handle around like in the DC07 and use a COMFORABLE handle for attachment use instead of that inane thing they slapped on the DC14.  I also don't like the tools on top of the dirt tank... they fall off and are in the way then I transport the machine or empty the bin.  I also don't like the washable filter being right in the dirt bin (even if it is separated by the cyclone assembly)... I much prefer it in the place it was on the DC07.  PLUS, I think the trigger release is easier to use than the push button of the DC14.  The 14 must be the worst Dyson ever made...

I don't know why the duplicate post happened!

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: comparing the dyson with the 90's fantoms
Reply #13   Jul 22, 2008 7:03 am
HARDSELL wrote:
If a home has been vacumed thoroughly on a frequent basis I would not expect to fill a Dyson on a single use.  I have owned both DC07 and DC14.  Never had your bad experiences.  I did prefer the 07.   I bought the XL21, Kenmore, Panasonic, Bissell HH and others.  The DC07 out performed them all.


HS:

You said you owned the EUREKA Boss Smart Vacuum too.  Which claims it outcleans a DC07 by 60 percent.  What do you think?

Carmine D.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: comparing the dyson with the 90's fantoms
Reply #14   Jul 22, 2008 7:45 am
Vacuumfreeeke wrote:
 The 14 must be the worst Dyson ever made...



Hey VF:

That dubious distinction goes to the DC 11 canister for $499 which lasted 5 months in the USA: From April 2004 to September 2004.  The official dyson death notice is Feb 2005, making it a 9 month run.  Shortest product run in US vacuum history.   But by Feb 2005, most retailers culled them from their shelves and collectors were scarfing up for $50-$100 as repacks and refurbs.   Many DC11-s were returned within the first week of purchase. 

It's biggest problem, not counting the weight and bulk, was a poorly designed and functioning power head.  Not made for USA rugs.  Brush bar typically stopped, hiccuped, and stalled going over low pile carpets if the users applied the slightest pressure.  Persons could easily stop the brush bar using the fingers/palm of their hand [as MOLE mentioned to you] and keep it stopped.  Not good for deep down rug cleaning.  Just straight suction surface dirt cleaner.

Carmine D.

This message was modified Jul 22, 2008 by CarmineD
HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: comparing the dyson with the 90's fantoms
Reply #15   Jul 22, 2008 7:56 am
CarmineD wrote:
HS:

You said you owned the EUREKA Boss Smart Vacuum too.  Which claims it outcleans a DC07 by 60 percent.  What do you think?

Carmine D.



If I thought it outcleaned the DC07 I would have kept it.  The Boss does a very job of cleaning carpet.  I fails miserably on hard floor surfaces.  The exhaust blows more dirt / dust than it vacuums on these surfaces.

I have medium pile with extra thick padding and the DC07 never stalled or ratcheded on it.  Remember the Boss claim is only on thicker carpet.

I did use the DC07 on some very plush wool carpet in a home that I inherited and did not have any problems.  The carpet was probably 30 plus years old. 

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