Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

I was just watching my Fantom Fury video (have the video, not the machine though I was obsessed with them as a teenager) and it said that if the dirt in the chamber ever stopped spinning, the user should check the machine for a clog. 

My Dyson DC14 actually has baffles in the dirt chamber that inhibit spinning of the dirt.  When I vacuum with it, the dirt just kind of lays in the chamber without moving.  The cat hair usually gets stuck on the baffles, and the heavier sand falls to the back of the chamber as the reclined position of the handle would dictate. 

I hit enter to go to the next line and the silly thing posted my thread.  No spell check, no preview button... can  you even do html coding?  This forum is going to be the end of me yet.  What ever happened to whatsthebest-vacuum.com anyway?


Anyway, there are so many similarities between the Dyson and Fantom machines that I wonder what their relationship is.  Did one of them get their idea from the other?

And, why would the Dyson have baffles in the dirt chamber that inhibit spinning of the dirt?  I know it isn't necessary...but I like to see the dirt move.  If it doesn't have a headlight or a ballooning bag, the dirt should at least spin.  How else do you know the machine is alive? 

Vacuumfreeke,

Are you pulling our leg with the - who invented the Fury question?  I hope not.  James made lots of money for Iona and proved there was a serious market for his vacuums.  Beginning in 1997 his vacuums made huge money (IMO) from this backyard inventor…  1^st yr. $50m, 2^nd yr. $100m, 3^rd yr. $150m and that was primarily from U.S. sales only.  The woman host in the Fury video was Mary McDonough, who was a child actor on The Walton’s.  When my mom was a teenager she used to baby sit her.

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The DC14 low efficiency cyclone is doing its job much better than the Fury’s.  Constantly spinning dirt and debris is not better than controlling this stuff and removing the dust/debris from the airflow and settling it at the bottom of the bin.  IMO your DC14 shroud is the best in the world, it is very rare to get pet hair or alike to stick to the shroud (if not filled over the max line).  I have heard many complaints online from Healthy Home users having to stick their hand into the shroud to clean, and the Fusion shroud is even worse.  James’ shroud is a great mechanical and consumer friendly innovation.       DIB

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P.S.  I use my word processor and then paste my post into this forum.  I appreciate the chance to post here and have little problem with the lack of features, although it would be nice to embed flash or video.

Vacuumfreeeke wrote:

This somewhat contradicts another thread where you claimed the DC14 was barely picking up dirt.  Now you have dirt/dusr, sand and cat hair in the bin.

How full is the bin.  Dysons usually quit spinning as they fill .

Dysininventsbig... I never understood the dyson-fantom connection. Is there a place online where I can read more about it?

Hardsell... I never said my Dyson didn't pick anything up. I said that it was out performed by a much cheaper cleaner. I was disappointed by this, because I expected it to live up to the hype. I now believe that my machine is working how it is supposed to... but it isn't what the hype lead me to believe.

Vacuumfreeeke wrote:

What hype are you referring to?

Vacuumfreeeke wrote:

Hi Vacuumfreeke,

If you like reading how the little guy can win even when attacked by multi-million dollar corporations then get James’s autobiography – “Against the Odds”.  You can find it online and cheap.  In his book James lays out everything and tells of the many who rip him off or attempt to rip him off.  To his credit he retaliates or complains little (in his book) and to his greater credit you NEVER hear him bad-mouth those who mistreated or stole from him when interviewed, he’s an optimist.  I do not comprehend folks attacking such a mild and nice guy.  The patent office shows all his vacuums and you can see for yourself that NO ONE pre-dates James’s clear bin with a cyclone/s which is copied and is the standard today.  He may or may not be the first with no loss of suction but was indeed the first with a well thought out consumer friendly product that worked and worked great.  I appreciate those who “invent radical or different - outside of the box widgets” like the Filter Queen perhaps and more so the water vacuum, but the big consumer markets want Dyson-styled vacuums and manufacturers are falling over themselves to patent (pending) and copy the mechanics of the Dyson’s.        DIB

 

Check this out…

http://www.amquix.info/amway_dyson.html

The hype I was referring to is that the Dyson is supposed to be a more superior vacuum than other machines as reported by glowing reviews.  I excpected bin after bin of dirt to come up in each home I tried it in and it didn't happen.  I do like the machine, but Dyson as a company seems to enjoy lying to consumers.  Rexiar preceeded Dyson by decades as the first vacuum that doesn't lose suction and calling non-existent height adjustment automatic is also misleading.  Lots of consumers also complain about lack of a headlight, but I don't really care about that.

DIB, that was in interesting story.  Is Jame's relationship with Iona in his autobiography?

Vacuumfreeeke wrote:

If a home has been vacumed thoroughly on a frequent basis I would not expect to fill a Dyson on a single use.  I have owned both DC07 and DC14.  Never had your bad experiences.  I did prefer the 07.   I bought the XL21, Kenmore, Panasonic, Bissell HH and others.  The DC07 out performed them all.

Remember you bought a used ( more like an abused ) vacuum.  I believe most dealers will tell you that most used vacuums have been abused.  Do you really think that they just put them out for sale without inspection and repairs?  Dyson does not advertise to be indestructible.  None are.    I have found many more negative reports on Hoover WT's that were purchased new and self destructed in a few months.

Yes, I bought a (ab)used vacuum, but I know enough about vacuums to know if mine is working.   I replaced the filters and cleaned the cyclone, and the brush seems to be spinning just fine.  Its performance actually reminds me of the DC07 (which I much prefer, I see we agree there... what are your reasons for liking it better) that I sold at Sears when Dyson first hit the US.  

Yes, I bought a (ab)used vacuum, but I know enough about vacuums to know if mine is working.   I replaced the filters and cleaned the cyclone, and the brush seems to be spinning just fine.  Its performance actually reminds me of the DC07 (which I much prefer, I see we agree there... what are your reasons for liking it better) that I sold at Sears when Dyson first hit the US.  

Vacuumfreeeke wrote:

The 07 had better suction, at the brush and the hose.  Carpet looded more groomed with the 07.  There seemed to be more dirt in the 07 canister. 

If you like the 07 better how does the 14 remind you of it?

 Do you want me to give a duplicatge answer for your duplicate post? 

The performance of the 14 is similar.  However, I'd much rather flip the handle around like in the DC07 and use a COMFORABLE handle for attachment use instead of that inane thing they slapped on the DC14.  I also don't like the tools on top of the dirt tank... they fall off and are in the way then I transport the machine or empty the bin.  I also don't like the washable filter being right in the dirt bin (even if it is separated by the cyclone assembly)... I much prefer it in the place it was on the DC07.  PLUS, I think the trigger release is easier to use than the push button of the DC14.  The 14 must be the worst Dyson ever made...

I don't know why the duplicate post happened!

HARDSELL wrote:

HS:

You said you owned the EUREKA Boss Smart Vacuum too.  Which claims it outcleans a DC07 by 60 percent.  What do you think?

Carmine D.

Vacuumfreeeke wrote:

Hey VF:

That dubious distinction goes to the DC 11 canister for $499 which lasted 5 months in the USA: From April 2004 to September 2004.  The official dyson death notice is Feb 2005, making it a 9 month run.  Shortest product run in US vacuum history.   But by Feb 2005, most retailers culled them from their shelves and collectors were scarfing up for $50-$100 as repacks and refurbs.   Many DC11-s were returned within the first week of purchase. 

It's biggest problem, not counting the weight and bulk, was a poorly designed and functioning power head.  Not made for USA rugs.  Brush bar typically stopped, hiccuped, and stalled going over low pile carpets if the users applied the slightest pressure.  Persons could easily stop the brush bar using the fingers/palm of their hand [as MOLE mentioned to you] and keep it stopped.  Not good for deep down rug cleaning.  Just straight suction surface dirt cleaner.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

If I thought it outcleaned the DC07 I would have kept it.  The Boss does a very job of cleaning carpet.  I fails miserably on hard floor surfaces.  The exhaust blows more dirt / dust than it vacuums on these surfaces.

I have medium pile with extra thick padding and the DC07 never stalled or ratcheded on it.  Remember the Boss claim is only on thicker carpet.

I did use the DC07 on some very plush wool carpet in a home that I inherited and did not have any problems.  The carpet was probably 30 plus years old. 

"Plush" is the word EUREKA uses for the claim comparing the $150 Boss Smart Vacuum to the $400 DC07.  BTW, in every Consumer Reports that rates vacuums and includes the EUREKA BOSS Smart Vacuum,  the BOSS rates an "Excellent" for performance on Bare floors.  You claim it failed miserably.  Interesting?  Did you set the BOSS to the bare floor adjustment? 

Interesting too, based on your lone perspective, that dyson never ever contests the EUREKA claim and/or offers its own test findings to contradict EUREKA's claim.  Why?  HAs to have a reason[s].  Wouldn't you think?

Dyson shows it is not shy about officially filing to dispute claims by other makers which put dyson in a poor [read humiliating] light.  Of course, now the ASA ruling eliminates any doubt that the Electrolux Intensity [MSRP in the US is $299] has 50 percent more suction at the brush roll [with a full paper bag that needs changing] than a DC14. 

BTW, the recent ASA ruling certainly gives alot of credence [read truth] to VF's findings and conclusions about a DC14 vice a bagless BISSELL Cleanview.  The $60 BISSELL Cleanview outcleans the more expensive dyson [after VF's assurance and actions that his DC14 is running properly].  Why?  BISSELL has a better brush roll?  A rug height adjustment?  Both?   Perhaps a BISSELL has more suction [at the brush roll] than a DC14?  Like the Intensity?  Surely it can't be the BISSELL headlight! 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:  
The BISSELL,bagged or bagless clear view or  cleanview,whatever your choice, have the same brushrollor and belt set up as a hoover tempo,[the bearing caps on the bissell are different]

For a big box $ 69.95er, this machine cleans and grooms the rug as good as any vacuum out there at any price,if the machine is maintained right,new belt every 6 months,filter washed or changed per manufactures specs,this a great bang for the buck vacuum, it's about the only good thing that bissell makes...............

MOLE

Hey there MOLE:

Interesting.  I knew BISSELL with the HEALTHY HOME copied the HOOVER WT brush roll but didn't realize it copied the HOOVER TEMPO brush roll too!   Why not?  Why reinvent the wheel? If there is one already that is praise and performance worthy, then go for it.  Might as well take advantage of the best the industry has to offer.  Ironically, I believe all these models have received Consumer Reports' Best Buys for vacuums and/or ranked in the top ten.  Must be the brush roll!!!  EUREKA!!!!

I'm sorry I missed the VDTA exhibit on vacuum brush rolls in the industry through the years.  I'm sure it was valuable.  Especially for any youngins who missed the evolution of the brush roll [read: facts and circumstances] by the nature of their age. 

Carmine D.

mole wrote:

What a POS.  I can't  believe that the filter requires maintenance or replacement.

HARDSELL wrote:

HS:

You can always remove the dirty filter and toss it.  Use the vacuum w/o it.  Then, when the vacuum quits running, buy a new one for $60 [that's the cost of the pre and post motor filters for your fave brand].  And the BISSELL does a better cleaning job on rugs, since it uses a HOOVER brush roll. 

At that rate you can buy 6 new BISSELL Cleanviews over the course of 6 plus years for $360 and have enough money left over for a some lattes at STARBUCKS and some big Macs at McDonalds.  No bags, no filters, no belts.  No maintenance save dirt bin dumping.  No extra costs after purchase. 

As my Jewish Aunt use to say:  Such a deal!

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

You didn't know what brush roll it had before mole told you.  Now in your lone opinion it out performs everything.  The amusing thing is that it is better than an $800 Oreck.

HARDSELL wrote:

HS:

Not true, on both accounts.  I'm accepting the experiences related by VF and his friend along with the recent ASA ruling upholding the Electrolux Intensity [MSRP $299] claim that it has 50 percent more suction at the brush roll [with a full bag] than a dyson DC14 [MSRP $439]. 

First, VF said his friend's $60 bagless BISSELL Cleanview outperformed a DC14 dyson for rug cleaning.  MOLE added it is likely the brush roll that beats a dyson DC14 in a match off for rug cleaning.  Opining that the BISSELL brush roll is an exact copy of the HOOVER TEMPO [MSRP $60 typically a Consumer Reports BEST BUY and top 10 rated upright].  CR recommended the HOOVER TEMPO lightweight over the DC18 Slim [MSRP $469] in a match off.  While I don't have any personal experience with a BISSELL Cleanview bagless, I do with the bagged HOOVER TEMPO.  It's a steal for $60 and will match up worthily in performance with any of today's brands costing 8-10 times more.  I agree with MOLE and understand his reasons for complimenting the BISSELL.  It's the brush roll! [no mention of stupid]. 

Second, the $740 ORECK [with a 21 year warranty] is typically rated around 10-12  in the field of Consumer Reports tested uprights.  This is is much better than all the BISSELL-s, save the HEALTHY HOME [$250], which makes the top 10.  Tho, the BISSELL bagless models [MSRP $60-$90] have been rated a CR BEST BUY. 

Carmine D.

The funny thing is that I actually wanted my Dyson to outperform any other cleaner I tried it against... I like it.  I'm not anti-Dyson.  It wouldn't surprise me if a Bissell could outperform a power nozzle on a stick... I mean an Oreck.  So could a broom and dustpan. 

Give me a Hoover Concept (power drive) any day!

Vacuumfreeeke wrote:

Now your getting a little piece of brain.....

MOLE

Why I'm not quite sure how to take that, sir.  Never heard that expression before!

VacuumFreake,

Take it as a put down.  Mole goes after Dyson the man, his products and most all James Dyson does and says, as well as those who use Dyson products or support Dyson the corp/the man.

 

Are you still interested in the Dyson-Fantom/Iona connection?...  Here's James Dyson’s pre-Iona dual cyclone U.S. patent - filed in 1984.  Here is a Fantom Capture dual cyclonic upright/dry shampooer that James’ 1^st licensed to Iona and distributed in Canada/mostly America and U.S. patent - filed in 1988.         DIB