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Vacuumfreeeke


Joined: May 9, 2008
Points: 105

comparing the dyson with the 90's fantoms
Original Message   Jul 21, 2008 11:24 am
I was just watching my Fantom Fury video (have the video, not the machine though I was obsessed with them as a teenager) and it said that if the dirt in the chamber ever stopped spinning, the user should check the machine for a clog. 

My Dyson DC14 actually has baffles in the dirt chamber that inhibit spinning of the dirt.  When I vacuum with it, the dirt just kind of lays in the chamber without moving.  The cat hair usually gets stuck on the baffles, and the heavier sand falls to the back of the chamber as the reclined position of the handle would dictate. 
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DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454

Re: comparing the dyson with the 90's fantoms
Reply #2   Jul 21, 2008 2:13 pm

Vacuumfreeke,

Are you pulling our leg with the - who invented the Fury question?  I hope not.  James made lots of money for Iona and proved there was a serious market for his vacuums.  Beginning in 1997 his vacuums made huge money (IMO) from this backyard inventor…  1st yr. $50m, 2nd yr. $100m, 3rd yr. $150m and that was primarily from U.S. sales only.  The woman host in the Fury video was Mary McDonough, who was a child actor on The Walton’s.  When my mom was a teenager she used to baby sit her.

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The DC14 low efficiency cyclone is doing its job much better than the Fury’s.  Constantly spinning dirt and debris is not better than controlling this stuff and removing the dust/debris from the airflow and settling it at the bottom of the bin.  IMO your DC14 shroud is the best in the world, it is very rare to get pet hair or alike to stick to the shroud (if not filled over the max line).  I have heard many complaints online from Healthy Home users having to stick their hand into the shroud to clean, and the Fusion shroud is even worse.  James’ shroud is a great mechanical and consumer friendly innovation.       DIB

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P.S.  I use my word processor and then paste my post into this forum.  I appreciate the chance to post here and have little problem with the lack of features, although it would be nice to embed flash or video.

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HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: comparing the dyson with the 90's fantoms
Reply #3   Jul 21, 2008 2:19 pm
Vacuumfreeeke wrote:
I was just watching my Fantom Fury video (have the video, not the machine though I was obsessed with them as a teenager) and it said that if the dirt in the chamber ever stopped spinning, the user should check the machine for a clog. 

My Dyson DC14 actually has baffles in the dirt chamber that inhibit spinning of the dirt.  When I vacuum with it, the dirt just kind of lays in the chamber without moving.  The cat hair usually gets stuck on the baffles, and the heavier sand falls to the back of the chamber as the reclined position of the handle would dictate. 



This somewhat contradicts another thread where you claimed the DC14 was barely picking up dirt.  Now you have dirt/dusr, sand and cat hair in the bin.

How full is the bin.  Dysons usually quit spinning as they fill .

Vacuumfreeeke


Joined: May 9, 2008
Points: 105

Re: comparing the dyson with the 90's fantoms
Reply #4   Jul 21, 2008 2:57 pm
Dysininventsbig... I never understood the dyson-fantom connection. Is there a place online where I can read more about it?

Hardsell... I never said my Dyson didn't pick anything up. I said that it was out performed by a much cheaper cleaner. I was disappointed by this, because I expected it to live up to the hype. I now believe that my machine is working how it is supposed to... but it isn't what the hype lead me to believe.
HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: comparing the dyson with the 90's fantoms
Reply #5   Jul 21, 2008 3:13 pm
Vacuumfreeeke wrote:
Dysininventsbig... I never understood the dyson-fantom connection. Is there a place online where I can read more about it?

Hardsell... I never said my Dyson didn't pick anything up. I said that it was out performed by a much cheaper cleaner. I was disappointed by this, because I expected it to live up to the hype. I now believe that my machine is working how it is supposed to... but it isn't what the hype lead me to believe.


What hype are you referring to?
This message was modified Jul 21, 2008 by HARDSELL
DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454

Re: comparing the dyson with the 90's fantoms
Reply #6   Jul 21, 2008 3:49 pm
Vacuumfreeeke wrote:
Dysininventsbig... I never understood the dyson-fantom connection. Is there a place online where I can read more about it?

Hardsell... I never said my Dyson didn't pick anything up. I said that it was out performed by a much cheaper cleaner. I was disappointed by this, because I expected it to live up to the hype. I now believe that my machine is working how it is supposed to... but it isn't what the hype lead me to believe.

Hi Vacuumfreeke,

If you like reading how the little guy can win even when attacked by multi-million dollar corporations then get James’s autobiography – “Against the Odds”.  You can find it online and cheap.  In his book James lays out everything and tells of the many who rip him off or attempt to rip him off.  To his credit he retaliates or complains little (in his book) and to his greater credit you NEVER hear him bad-mouth those who mistreated or stole from him when interviewed, he’s an optimist.  I do not comprehend folks attacking such a mild and nice guy.  The patent office shows all his vacuums and you can see for yourself that NO ONE pre-dates James’s clear bin with a cyclone/s which is copied and is the standard today.  He may or may not be the first with no loss of suction but was indeed the first with a well thought out consumer friendly product that worked and worked great.  I appreciate those who “invent radical or different - outside of the box widgets” like the Filter Queen perhaps and more so the water vacuum, but the big consumer markets want Dyson-styled vacuums and manufacturers are falling over themselves to patent (pending) and copy the mechanics of the Dyson’s.        DIB

 

Check this out…

http://www.amquix.info/amway_dyson.html


Vacuumfreeeke


Joined: May 9, 2008
Points: 105

Re: comparing the dyson with the 90's fantoms
Reply #7   Jul 21, 2008 6:33 pm
The hype I was referring to is that the Dyson is supposed to be a more superior vacuum than other machines as reported by glowing reviews.  I excpected bin after bin of dirt to come up in each home I tried it in and it didn't happen.  I do like the machine, but Dyson as a company seems to enjoy lying to consumers.  Rexiar preceeded Dyson by decades as the first vacuum that doesn't lose suction and calling non-existent height adjustment automatic is also misleading.  Lots of consumers also complain about lack of a headlight, but I don't really care about that.

DIB, that was in interesting story.  Is Jame's relationship with Iona in his autobiography?

HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: comparing the dyson with the 90's fantoms
Reply #8   Jul 21, 2008 8:12 pm
Vacuumfreeeke wrote:
The hype I was referring to is that the Dyson is supposed to be a more superior vacuum than other machines as reported by glowing reviews.  I excpected bin after bin of dirt to come up in each home I tried it in and it didn't happen.  I do like the machine, but Dyson as a company seems to enjoy lying to consumers.  Rexiar preceeded Dyson by decades as the first vacuum that doesn't lose suction and calling non-existent height adjustment automatic is also misleading.  Lots of consumers also complain about lack of a headlight, but I don't really care about that.

DIB, that was in interesting story.  Is Jame's relationship with Iona in his autobiography?



If a home has been vacumed thoroughly on a frequent basis I would not expect to fill a Dyson on a single use.  I have owned both DC07 and DC14.  Never had your bad experiences.  I did prefer the 07.   I bought the XL21, Kenmore, Panasonic, Bissell HH and others.  The DC07 out performed them all.

Remember you bought a used ( more like an abused ) vacuum.  I believe most dealers will tell you that most used vacuums have been abused.  Do you really think that they just put them out for sale without inspection and repairs?  Dyson does not advertise to be indestructible.  None are.    I have found many more negative reports on Hoover WT's that were purchased new and self destructed in a few months.

Vacuumfreeeke


Joined: May 9, 2008
Points: 105

Re: comparing the dyson with the 90's fantoms
Reply #9   Jul 21, 2008 8:44 pm
Yes, I bought a (ab)used vacuum, but I know enough about vacuums to know if mine is working.   I replaced the filters and cleaned the cyclone, and the brush seems to be spinning just fine.  Its performance actually reminds me of the DC07 (which I much prefer, I see we agree there... what are your reasons for liking it better) that I sold at Sears when Dyson first hit the US.  
Vacuumfreeeke


Joined: May 9, 2008
Points: 105

Re: comparing the dyson with the 90's fantoms
Reply #10   Jul 21, 2008 8:44 pm
Yes, I bought a (ab)used vacuum, but I know enough about vacuums to know if mine is working.   I replaced the filters and cleaned the cyclone, and the brush seems to be spinning just fine.  Its performance actually reminds me of the DC07 (which I much prefer, I see we agree there... what are your reasons for liking it better) that I sold at Sears when Dyson first hit the US.  
HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: comparing the dyson with the 90's fantoms
Reply #11   Jul 21, 2008 9:11 pm
Vacuumfreeeke wrote:
Yes, I bought a (ab)used vacuum, but I know enough about vacuums to know if mine is working.   I replaced the filters and cleaned the cyclone, and the brush seems to be spinning just fine.  Its performance actually reminds me of the DC07 (which I much prefer, I see we agree there... what are your reasons for liking it better) that I sold at Sears when Dyson first hit the US.  



The 07 had better suction, at the brush and the hose.  Carpet looded more groomed with the 07.  There seemed to be more dirt in the 07 canister. 

If you like the 07 better how does the 14 remind you of it?

 Do you want me to give a duplicatge answer for your duplicate post? 

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