Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

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Hey Carmine Man,

At the end of the day it is about physics and who puts forth (the basics) a vacuum that best uses
”in the public domain” 1)  off the shelf parts and/or 2) designs.  I am fully aware it takes many individual lengths to build a strong chain.  Dyson simply removed the weakest length…  Suction loss due to a clogged bag (and filter).

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Mole,

I answered your riddle within the framework of your post and no response?

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DIB

Are you sure you didn't mean Festus, MO?  I think there's a guy there who has every model of Oreck in his collection... 



mole wrote:

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hey Mr. DIB's:

I like that but prefer:  Hey, Carmine D. Vacuum Man.  Now you're talking physics and chemistry combined! 

It's always funny to read dyson fans' posts.  It's as tho the vacuum industry was in the dark ages until dyson suddenly appeared and rescued it.  Not quite.  Not even close.  In fact just the contrary.  

Dyson has a rough road to hoe.  With the competition like HOOVER, BISSELL, DIRT DEVIL {and yes even EUREKA} copying it and selling for less, dyson with its high prices is destined for extinction.  Especially in a deep recession and down global market with soaring oil prices.

One quote from dualcyclone/motor [don't know which] that I agree with [surprise, surprise] is this: Consumers don't remember who did it first, they remember who copied the best and sold it for less. 

 Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Hey Carmine D., Vacuum Man,

 

There is a sub-culture of vacuum dealers and collectors that cannot get past James Dyson’s legitimacy in the industry, all the while Dyson has been credited in history as the one (his team too) who brought radically commercialized changes to the vacuum cleaner.  Dyson and Dyson alone upped the game of vacuum manufacturing, no brag, just factual history.  It’s funny to see so many vacuum dealers and their buddies cling to and sell the past as if it were new and/or the only or best solution to an old problem (vacuuming).        DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:
It's called the Old Boys Club and sadly, every industry has it.

Dusty

CarmineD wrote:

Do I understand you?  Vacuums have basically been the same for 50 or more years.  Maybe a few color changes here and there.  Dyson has now been copied by almost all manufacturers and yet Dyson did nothing to change the industry.  Why didn't they just continue with bags that clogs and cause suction loss if Dyson didn't get the industry off it's ashes.

No doubt Dyson will have to change it's pricing to remain competetive with today's economy, however that is not justivication to imply that Dyson has not revolutionized the vacuum industry.  Your responses are as asinine as usual.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hey DIBster:

Perhaps in the UK, I might partially agree.  Tho the dyson market share declines tell me otherwise.  Dyson competition has gained ground in the UK over the last 4 years and brands will probably surpass dyson's annual share of 28 percent in 2007, if not already. 

In the USA, I can't agree with you on any level.  Not with 10 percent of annual vacuum sales in units [at best and declining].  History is too recent to prove your statement accurate.  Time alone will tell.  If dyson doesn't succumb to the USA industry stalwarts like others have before [Fantom].   A fad that came and went.

Interestingly, in years past dyson sales results were posted here quarterly, semi-annually, and annually.  No more.  What happened?  An indication vacuum history is repeating itself [Fantom].

Carmine D.

dusty wrote:

Hey Duster Man:

It's called the "good old boy's club."  Also known as the experienced, seasoned, been there done that veterans of the industry.  I call us:  "The Old Guard."  There's a saying that youngins like you in the industry should heed:  What you are, we once were, what we are, you'll soon be. 

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:

Hey My main Man HS:

Of course not.  The vacuum industry has evolved over the last 100 years just fine without dyson and after dyson is long gone.  Sure, vacuum brands copy a $500 plus vacuum and sell it for $120 [low end vacuum prices and models].  It's called smart marketing and crushing your competition.  All industry companies do it.  Don't flatter yourself dyson fans.

It may be too late for dyson to drop prices and survive in the big box store venue.  Why?  Dyson gave too much time to its competitors to copy and sell better vacuums [dyson copies] for much less.  

Dyson's path of least resistance [read:  keep from competing against itself]  is to keep prices in the moderate to high range [$300-$400] and maintain a niche vacuum market.  Not a bad approach. 

Certainly, dyson has not achieved/will not achieve the predominant USA vacuum market share [in units] that many of its fans predicted years ago.  Not with 10 percent and falling.  Not with fair to middlin ratings from the pros and industry watchers.  And certainly not with its filter foibles and claims.  All of which add support to the Old Guard's long standing criticism of Mr. Dyson and his vacuums.

Dusty is right on the money.  Dyson's claim to fame in the vacuum industry is that it facilitated today's vacuum consumers to look at $500 plus vacuums without getting sticker shock.  For that, the Old Guard owes dyson a note of thanks and gratitude. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
The world changes, industry changes, the old guard remains stuck in the past. (I'm generalizing here btw, not taking a shot at you).  The old guard in the auto industry claimed Japan could never make a push into the US with their little cars.  They were wrong and it took decades for them to recover. Dyson has revolutionized the vacuum industry.  Bagless is now the standard for the biggest manufacturers in the industry.  They have all followed Dysons lead. Dyson themselves will now have to change to keep up with the competition that is quickly catching up with them.  I suspect they will but I feel they still have time.  As good as the new Hoover bagless or Bissell bagless may be, consumers will remember the crappy bagless versions of these products they've had in the past.  Those consumers, who want a bagless that works will still step up to Dyson.  It's something we see on a consistant basis. Once again it was the old guard that was slow to react to something new (bagless) and once again it has taken years to try and catch up.

Dusty