Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Dyson is in the news frequently and so a dedicated thread.

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mole wrote:
Generally speaking, you can run a Dyson without a filter and it will be fine, as long as you're careful to not overfill the clear bin or suck up too much fine dust in one go. Of course people do this and run them without filters also.. which is why the latest models have a catch which prevents you doing this.

mole wrote:
In fact the first Dyson was not designed to have much in the way of after filters, it was only on later models that this was incorporated.  Moose hit the nail right on the head about running Dysons without filters.  It is true about the cyclones being able to filter out most of the particles.  Definitely not as bad as some clean-air paper bag designs that end up leaking dust through the motor. 

Can't do that with a bagged machine of course.  We all know what happens when a clean-air vacuum is run without a bag.  Either massive amounts of dirt through the motor (causing off-balance fans or worse) or the bag compartment filter literally packed with dirt.  Spewing dust each time.  Much like what happens when you try to run a bin filter bagless without *that* filter...

-MH

dusty wrote:

Hey Dust Man:

Creative bookkeeping for the refurbs to be exact!  Double counted as new sales without the corresponding increase in cost of goods sold to manufacture.  Double the profit from sales with half the expenses to produce, market and sell. 

As a result the US federal government passed a law that all refurbed vacuums have to clearly advertise on the carton that they are refurbs/remanufactured and/or similar language.  

Carmine D.

Hey guys:

HOOVER used a reusable bag with a bag clamp in the 50's on several uprights: Models 60, 61 and 62.  Not HOOVER's finest hour.  Customers didn't like them because they were very expensive.  Messy too.  HOOVER converted back to the throwaway bag with the 63, 64, 65 and on. 

Customers frequently asked me to convert the reusable bag to the throw away bag. 

If you are picking up alot of fuzz and nap from a new carpet, reusing the paper bag once is not a problem.  And not messy.  If you are picking up the everyday household grit and dirt, reusing a throwaway paper is messy and harmful to the motor.  Not allowing enough air to filter out to keep the motor cool.

Carmine D.

mole wrote:

Hello MOLE Man:

Beats the workaround for the users to wear wax ear plugs!

Carmine D.

M00seUK wrote:

M00seUK Man:

God bless him. 

The technical industry term is "bag opening."  Vacuum pros are sticklers for vacuum terms. 

Carmine D.

It seems the UK’s ASA is more and more anti-Dyson.  The ASA ; is it now run by bias men, good men, genius’s or drunks?  You decide…

        DIB

        DIB

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ASA said...
The ASA took expert advice. The expert said the independent test data supplied by Electrolux was reliable and of good quality.

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The expert believed the suction power test data submitted by Electrolux was not sufficient to support the claim that the Intensity gave an "intense deep clean", because it did not include test data relating to cleaning performance.
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ASA said...

The expert pointed out…  …a reduction in cleaning performance did not necessarily result from a reduction in suction power due to bag 'clogging'

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http://www.asa.org.uk/asa/adjudications/Public/TF_ADJ_44647.htm

ASA ruled in 2003 on bag clogging -  http://archive.wiltshiretimes.co.uk/2003/1/17/166948.html

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hello DIB:

Thanks for posting.  Very interesting ruling.  First, an observation on your post above:  You impugn the ASA and the expert vacuum industry witness with the same names as you do for those who have said the same here in the past [anti-dyson].  Facts and truth are anti-falsehoods. Not anti-[supply your own favorite name brand].  Where one stands depends on where he/she sits!

I fully concur with the ASA ruling.  If I can summarize the major findings: The ASA upheld Electrolux'es claim that the suction of the Intensity is 50 percent greater than a dyson DC14 [when the Electrolux bag needs changing].  But...and this is the biggie...Electrolux'es conclusion that it deep cleans better [as a result of the suction] was overruled by the ASA.  Why?  Electrolux did not provide sufficient data to prove the conclusion.

Of note:  Electrolux is the company that makes the EUREKA Boss Smart vacuum [bagged] which makes the claim that it outcleans a dyson DC07 by 60 percent.  Also the same company that claims it produces the first recycled vacuum. 

Also of note: The ASA did not concur with the validity of the claim that dyson is the leading upright in the UK [dyson claimed it is a reference to dyson and hence the reason for the complaint].  Instead the ASA said it did not collect and review current UK vacuum sales data to verify the claim.  Recall dyson had only 28 percent of the UK vacuum market in 2007.  ASA implies that another vacuum brand may be the leader, not dyson.

ASA held Electrolux to a high standard for its claims: Cleans deeper and more intensely [than presumably a dyson to which it is compared].  ASA wanted proof to substantiate the claims!  No longer giving a pass as just sales puffing. 

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,

I would recommend you go back and re-edit your post for truthfulness and accuracy.  I have suggested and/or said in past posts that others here were bias, anti-Dyson, but never drunks. - A forum search will prove I have never said this as you say.        DIB 

Hello DIB:

Hit a nerve, did I?  They say the truth hurts.  See why? 

No need for me to edit/change/word smith.  I specifically quoted the name you most often use to impugn posters here in brackets in my original post [anti-dyson].   And for your benefit I elaborated further on the notion that truth and facts are NOT anti-any particular name brand save errors and falsehoods.  Surely, you have the maturity, wisdom and wherewithal to accept and comprehend the veracity my statements.  

There is an old school saying:  If the shoe fits, wear it!!  This shoe fits you like a glove.  

Carmine D.