Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Dyson is in the news frequently and so a dedicated thread.

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CarmineD wrote:
Creative bookkeeping brought Regina down, not the refurbs.  Refurbs are part of all manufacturers business, we get monthly sheets showing what's available and the big savings offered.  The scary thing is that I know we see these sheets last, after the bulk have been sold off to liquidation stores.  I would put money on Eureka and Hoover having to deal with far more refurbs than Dyson ever will.

Dusty

DysonInventsBig wrote:
DIB, absolutely, those videos are a perfect example.  In fact I'm almost certain we have discussed the DC07/14 being the "poster boy vacuums" on here previously as well, I can't remember the specific thread I know this isn't the first time that has been mentioned.  They ARE the models that dishonest, biased vac dealers LOVE to bash to sell the brands they're pushing (which I might add is so painfully obvious here).  In fact, in one video the person isn't a "dealer" at all, he just happens to work for an Oreck store (the remaining independent Oreck dealers cannot sell the XL21, and of course there's the forest green carpet characteristic of every Oreck store across the country) and is pushing Oreck.  Whether or not the Dyson is tested properly and fairly is unimportant to them.  Trying to convince potential customers that the Miele or Oreck is better, and taking advantage of the Dyson DC07/14's so-called "weak point" (a soft, slow-turning brushroll which is not necessarily a negative characteristic) IS.  Hence a wide variety of excuses are given by these biased dealers to avoid Dysons solely based on either of these two models, which (as usual) in the grand scheme of things turn out to be grossly exaggerated and inconsequential.  Like the kapok test which (theoretically...) supports the dealers' claim of "it won't deep clean well" or "it's not effective on pet hair".  Sorry to say but if you vacuum at warp speed OF COURSE the machine is not going to pick up as well as it would if you vacuum deliberately as was meant to be done.  Unless of course the vacuum used is depending on brushroll RPMs alone with not much in the way of suction or airflow, effective only for surface cleaning and to simply make the carpet appear clean, as in the first video. 

The irony here is that people are lazy.  These dealers, Oreck store employees, you name it do not want to work hard to try and prove that their machine is better.  Path of least resistance.  Hence, putting the $549 top-of-the-line Dyson (complete with aggressive high-RPM brushroll) against that particular machine is not the ideal choice.  Putting the $399 entry-level Dyson is.  To me, it would seem that 9 times out of 10, the average buyer would not ordinarily know the difference between the DC07 and DC17 until (or unless) the machine is demonstrated to them. 

-MH

Motorhead wrote:

MH,

I noticed in one of the videos tha baking soda ( a household item ) was used in the test.  Carmine has contended that there is more kapok than baking soda in homes.

Another made mention that the Oreck would ruin wood floors.  It does not have the standard Dyson brush cut off feature.  Of course you already that. 

CarmineD wrote:

Hello Carmine D

Thanks for your comments.  I know the DC03 and DC04 are native to the UK, what I was getting at is that the same brush bar design used on these is the smae used on the DC07 and DC14!  I was only adding to Motorhead comments.  I have moved on but someone keeps bringing the brush bar up at every opportunity!  Hence others to post comments again!

I can't comment on prices over in the USA but as I've commented on this forum about the new Dysons epecially the DC24 and DC25 the pricing of these are very competitive when you look at the prices of previous Dyson Models that have exceed the £300.00 mark.  The DC24 is selling (RRP) at £239.99 but I've seen it as little as £204.00.  The £239.99 price is the same as a new DC14 (non brush control) model!  As for the DC25 that is selling at (RRP) at £279.99 (Animal about £299.99!) baring in mind the base DC15 model was over £300.00 when it was launched.  Both models come with HEPA which previous Dyson didn't unless you had the Allergy or Animal models (UK).  So as far as I'm concerned I don't think the pricing of these 2 new models in the UK is way out. 

As for the filter cleaning being every month (DC24) and every 3 months (DC25), like some have said to high light to users they need to check the filters.  Plus you now have access to checking and washing the post motor filter which you didn't have to do before, it was permanant but could be replaced if needed!   Or like the DC01 post motor HEPA you replaced every year or so.  With it being a washable HEPA may be it needs checking more hence the change in filter cleaning!?  Who knows only Dyson can tell you the real answer to why they have changed this! Surely!?  Didn't Dusty say they have been using the DC24 in his shop and the filter was ok after a month!  Depends on use I suppose!

I could ask why most bagged vacuums now use a paper bag you can only use once, unlike paperbags in th past that had a removable clip to empty and if ok to re-use it again!  May be has something partly to do with the dust and fine dust blocking and clogging the pores in the filter paper!  Restricting airflow!  But may be it 's down to partly convience on the users part which is a world we live in today!

DC18

DC18 wrote:
My Grandad was so outraged at the relative high cost for replacement vac bags, that he used to 'empty' them through the inlet hole (or whatever you'd call it). It was a tedious job and of course, it would have had little benefit becuase the pores would still be clogged on reuse. In later years, he had a DC04 :-)

M00seUK wrote:
I know people that empty their bagged vacuum bags through the inlet hole as to re-use the bag again!

I know of customers that threw out their dyson filters trying to make it work better.

Guess what it worked....................


MOLE

mole wrote:
Generally speaking, you can run a Dyson without a filter and it will be fine, as long as you're careful to not overfill the clear bin or suck up too much fine dust in one go. Of course people do this and run them without filters also.. which is why the latest models have a catch which prevents you doing this.

mole wrote:
In fact the first Dyson was not designed to have much in the way of after filters, it was only on later models that this was incorporated.  Moose hit the nail right on the head about running Dysons without filters.  It is true about the cyclones being able to filter out most of the particles.  Definitely not as bad as some clean-air paper bag designs that end up leaking dust through the motor. 

Can't do that with a bagged machine of course.  We all know what happens when a clean-air vacuum is run without a bag.  Either massive amounts of dirt through the motor (causing off-balance fans or worse) or the bag compartment filter literally packed with dirt.  Spewing dust each time.  Much like what happens when you try to run a bin filter bagless without *that* filter...

-MH

dusty wrote:

Hey Dust Man:

Creative bookkeeping for the refurbs to be exact!  Double counted as new sales without the corresponding increase in cost of goods sold to manufacture.  Double the profit from sales with half the expenses to produce, market and sell. 

As a result the US federal government passed a law that all refurbed vacuums have to clearly advertise on the carton that they are refurbs/remanufactured and/or similar language.  

Carmine D.