Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Dyson is in the news frequently and so a dedicated thread.

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Just to add to what Motorhead said about the brush bar and clutch set up on the DC07\DC14.  If it was that terrible then why has it managed to span out over 4 models.  The DC03, DC04 and the later DC07 and DC14!  The shape of the brush bar on these models was designed for a reason which I believe was stated on the original DC03 brochure!  One thing also no one has mentioned is the non brush control Dyson models of the DC04, DC07 and DC14 is different again!  Not sure if you have these models in the US!  The DC01 had a triple brush bar design which Dyson has not used again!

Technology moved on for Dyson and they decided to use a separate motor for the brush bar.  This may be in preparation for when the DDM is fitted to the Upright range. I don't think you would want the DDM powering a brush bar via a belt due to the speed it rotates!  Thats my thinking! 

DC18

Hello, DC18:

The DC03 and 04 are native to UK not the USA.  You and I have different thinking on the DC07 and 14.   They obviously are fine for the UK and Europe, and that's your frame of reference.  I respect that. 

Not good for the USA.  Just as the dyson DC11 appears to have done well and win praise in all places except the USA.  Pulled out after 6 months in the USA.  Big box stores and indy's couldn't sell for $499.  Many were returned due to the whimpy power head.  It skipped, stuttered, hic-cupped and stopped on most USA rugs. 

Are you seeing a pattern here in the USA with the early dyson models and their brush rolls?  It's crystal clear to me.  This is a losing battle for dyson supporters.  The brush rolls were inferior for USA rugs and carpets.  Period.  End of debate.  Move on. 

Concentrate your time and efforts by helping out your dyson compandres with a defense for the new dysons selling for $500 plus and require monthly filter maintenance.  That's today and tomorrow's dyson issue.  That's a biggie.  Especially if the dyson claim: "Never loses suction" gets shot down by the courts.  Be prepared for it to happen!  Then what? 

Wait....what's that I hear in the distance?  Is that the faint voice of DIB shouting?  Listen!  Listen carefully.  What's he saying?  Ball technology steers and pivots vacuums....is that it?  Is that all there is to $500 dysons.  B-a-l-l-s?   Better do better.  I hear the sound of sayanora to dyson playing on the steel guitar.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

You can choose to ignore it or deny it  for now but trust me this is going to kill dysons integrity.

You can mark your calendar,july 9,2008, THE MOLE TOLD YOU SO .

HOWS THE HAND VAC SELLING???????????????

MOLE

CarmineD wrote:

DC.

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Motorhead wrote:

Motorhead,

Thanks for clearing up a lot of things.

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I did say in the past the DC07 and DC14 had the weakest brushroll (compared to the 15/17) in a thread where I was defending Dyson’s “failing out” with so-called industry standard Kapok tests.  It is a garbage test, not an ASTM standard but a bad-mouthing of Dyson’s by dealers standard.  I have no opinion of the brushroll shape or size but believe it spins slower (when pressed into carpeting) than the DC15/17.  Regardless, it looks like deceptive dealers exclusively use and believe the DC07/14 are the Dyson’s of choice when failing out a Dyson in their Kapok “tests.”.        DIB

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Here's two...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zulOHXdDmk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXA0N0V2uOQ

Hey DIB:

There are none so blind as they who will not see.  Open your eyes, look at the dyson brush rolls in the DC07, 11, and 14.  Then look at the brush rolls in other vacuums.  Compare.  It's easy to see why dyson scrubbed them.  The VDTA had a whole exhibit this year on vacuum brush rolls.  Why?  An integral component for rug cleaning.  The crux of the matter.

Carmine D.

mole wrote:

Hey MOLE Man:

The dyson menschkins are too young [some too blind] to see what the refurbs did to Regina in the 80/90's.  Regina was a  high flyer on Wall Street and Main Steet.  Everyone had to have a Regina Housekeeper.  They were sold everywhere.  What happened?  Refurbs!  Brought Regina down lock stock and barrel.  Landed two Regina management executives in jail for awhile: The CEO and CFO.  Never to hold a management job again in their LIFETIME!

Carmine D.

 

CarmineD wrote:
Creative bookkeeping brought Regina down, not the refurbs.  Refurbs are part of all manufacturers business, we get monthly sheets showing what's available and the big savings offered.  The scary thing is that I know we see these sheets last, after the bulk have been sold off to liquidation stores.  I would put money on Eureka and Hoover having to deal with far more refurbs than Dyson ever will.

Dusty

DysonInventsBig wrote:
DIB, absolutely, those videos are a perfect example.  In fact I'm almost certain we have discussed the DC07/14 being the "poster boy vacuums" on here previously as well, I can't remember the specific thread I know this isn't the first time that has been mentioned.  They ARE the models that dishonest, biased vac dealers LOVE to bash to sell the brands they're pushing (which I might add is so painfully obvious here).  In fact, in one video the person isn't a "dealer" at all, he just happens to work for an Oreck store (the remaining independent Oreck dealers cannot sell the XL21, and of course there's the forest green carpet characteristic of every Oreck store across the country) and is pushing Oreck.  Whether or not the Dyson is tested properly and fairly is unimportant to them.  Trying to convince potential customers that the Miele or Oreck is better, and taking advantage of the Dyson DC07/14's so-called "weak point" (a soft, slow-turning brushroll which is not necessarily a negative characteristic) IS.  Hence a wide variety of excuses are given by these biased dealers to avoid Dysons solely based on either of these two models, which (as usual) in the grand scheme of things turn out to be grossly exaggerated and inconsequential.  Like the kapok test which (theoretically...) supports the dealers' claim of "it won't deep clean well" or "it's not effective on pet hair".  Sorry to say but if you vacuum at warp speed OF COURSE the machine is not going to pick up as well as it would if you vacuum deliberately as was meant to be done.  Unless of course the vacuum used is depending on brushroll RPMs alone with not much in the way of suction or airflow, effective only for surface cleaning and to simply make the carpet appear clean, as in the first video. 

The irony here is that people are lazy.  These dealers, Oreck store employees, you name it do not want to work hard to try and prove that their machine is better.  Path of least resistance.  Hence, putting the $549 top-of-the-line Dyson (complete with aggressive high-RPM brushroll) against that particular machine is not the ideal choice.  Putting the $399 entry-level Dyson is.  To me, it would seem that 9 times out of 10, the average buyer would not ordinarily know the difference between the DC07 and DC17 until (or unless) the machine is demonstrated to them. 

-MH

Motorhead wrote:

MH,

I noticed in one of the videos tha baking soda ( a household item ) was used in the test.  Carmine has contended that there is more kapok than baking soda in homes.

Another made mention that the Oreck would ruin wood floors.  It does not have the standard Dyson brush cut off feature.  Of course you already that.