Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Dyson is in the news frequently and so a dedicated thread.

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mole wrote:

Oops, there goes an ebay parade of pages and pages of dyson refurbs!

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Hey Carmine,

I hear a lot of refurb whiners here, but the number of refurbs on the market look to be miniscule compared to retail sold vacuums.  If and until someone takes a break from whining and demonstrates some numbers, then and only then can this so-called refurb flooding with its… “It’s ruining my business” can be taken seriously and/or debated.        DIB

Once again I am dumbfounded by some of the things I'm reading here.  First of all Carmine, you must be pulling that out of your Depends and your hands must be brown by now.  To clarify, the Dyson DC07/DC14 brushroll clutch assembly was NEVER "scrubbed" and is still employed on current models!!!!!  It will always remain on the DC07/14 until the models cease to exist altogether, which is not likely to happen anytime soon.  INDEPENDENT DYSON DEALERS WILL ALWAYS HAVE A MARKET FOR THE DC07/DC14!  The fact that the DC07 has been around for 6 years already is enough for anyone to know its widespread success and popularity in the US.  It IS the machine that made a name for Dyson here.  The DC14 is going to continue to be sold at big-box stores INCLUDING WAL-MART.  They are receiving the standard DC14 in yellow which will sell for $399!  And like the other DC07/14 models, it has...you guessed it, a clutch!  The clutch is an improvement on the old slip-belt that has to be replaced.  The direct motor-driven brush used on the Ball models is an improvement over that.  "Immer Besser" as you might say.  

Out of all the DC07s I've used, I was never able to get any ratcheting out of any of them.  I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the ratcheting problem Carmine has experienced was not due to the Mohawk carpet, but rather, the fact that perhaps the original clutch was defective and needed to be swapped.  When working "properly" the clutch digs strongly into any pile carpet (even thick Tommy...er, Mohawk) with no ratcheting noises whatsoever.  Replacing with a genuine DYSON clutch (not a bojack replacement from Hesco with the DYR prefix as Mole sells) will remedy the situation no doubt. 

For those of you who think the DC07/DC14 brushroll is the "worst there is" or a "failure", what about the Eureka Vibra-Groomer, which Dyson obviously took a page from, or even the much earlier Hoover brushroll of the 1910's?  Are those bad because of their shape?  Does the shape of the Vibra-Groomer adversely affect carpet cleaning ability and have a tendency to wrap pet hair around itself?  Probably, certainly not any worse than Dyson, however since it is NOT Dyson it isn't mentioned here.  Those brushrolls were designed to act as a secondary fan or impeller of sorts, generating air in addition to vigorously agitating the carpet.  I wouldn't call that "bad" at all.  The DC17 brushroll is more aggressive, yes, not due to its shape but rather the bristle pattern and the strength of the bristles.  Some of you seem to think that the DC07/14 brushroll is "weak" due to its shape...all I can say is ignorance is bliss. 

Dyson sells its refurbs through their independent dealers as well as catalogs, and it's the independent dealers who mostly put them on the Internet because Dyson allows their independent dealers to make money off the refurbs (unlike Oreck, Bissell, Hoover, Eureka, and Dirt Devil).  So compared the others that is actually a very honest, generous way of doing business.  Before you start to criticize the Dyson refurbs, what do you think Oreck does with all of the machines that are returned within the 30 day trial (which are most of them)?  They're sold as "demonstrator" models for $150.  What do you think Hoover does with all of the Hoovers that are returned?  They are sold as refurbished machines at Big Lots, Value City, and on the Hoover website.  What do you think Eureka does with all of the returns?  They're sold at Big Lots and Value City as refurbs!  What do you think Dirt Devil does with all of THEIR machines that are returned?  Why, they're sold at Big Lots and Value City as refurbs!  Again, no different!  Now can you see the pattern here?

Don't say that anything is "scrubbed" again unless you know for a fact that it is truly obsolete and removed from the market.  We're tired of your lies, and of you repeating them so often you believe them. 

-MH

I have seen lots of brands of refurbs in Big Lots and other similar stores.  None of them were Dysons.

Just to add to what Motorhead said about the brush bar and clutch set up on the DC07\DC14.  If it was that terrible then why has it managed to span out over 4 models.  The DC03, DC04 and the later DC07 and DC14!  The shape of the brush bar on these models was designed for a reason which I believe was stated on the original DC03 brochure!  One thing also no one has mentioned is the non brush control Dyson models of the DC04, DC07 and DC14 is different again!  Not sure if you have these models in the US!  The DC01 had a triple brush bar design which Dyson has not used again!

Technology moved on for Dyson and they decided to use a separate motor for the brush bar.  This may be in preparation for when the DDM is fitted to the Upright range. I don't think you would want the DDM powering a brush bar via a belt due to the speed it rotates!  Thats my thinking! 

DC18

Hello, DC18:

The DC03 and 04 are native to UK not the USA.  You and I have different thinking on the DC07 and 14.   They obviously are fine for the UK and Europe, and that's your frame of reference.  I respect that. 

Not good for the USA.  Just as the dyson DC11 appears to have done well and win praise in all places except the USA.  Pulled out after 6 months in the USA.  Big box stores and indy's couldn't sell for $499.  Many were returned due to the whimpy power head.  It skipped, stuttered, hic-cupped and stopped on most USA rugs. 

Are you seeing a pattern here in the USA with the early dyson models and their brush rolls?  It's crystal clear to me.  This is a losing battle for dyson supporters.  The brush rolls were inferior for USA rugs and carpets.  Period.  End of debate.  Move on. 

Concentrate your time and efforts by helping out your dyson compandres with a defense for the new dysons selling for $500 plus and require monthly filter maintenance.  That's today and tomorrow's dyson issue.  That's a biggie.  Especially if the dyson claim: "Never loses suction" gets shot down by the courts.  Be prepared for it to happen!  Then what? 

Wait....what's that I hear in the distance?  Is that the faint voice of DIB shouting?  Listen!  Listen carefully.  What's he saying?  Ball technology steers and pivots vacuums....is that it?  Is that all there is to $500 dysons.  B-a-l-l-s?   Better do better.  I hear the sound of sayanora to dyson playing on the steel guitar.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

You can choose to ignore it or deny it  for now but trust me this is going to kill dysons integrity.

You can mark your calendar,july 9,2008, THE MOLE TOLD YOU SO .

HOWS THE HAND VAC SELLING???????????????

MOLE

CarmineD wrote:

DC.

Remember:

Motorhead wrote:

Motorhead,

Thanks for clearing up a lot of things.

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I did say in the past the DC07 and DC14 had the weakest brushroll (compared to the 15/17) in a thread where I was defending Dyson’s “failing out” with so-called industry standard Kapok tests.  It is a garbage test, not an ASTM standard but a bad-mouthing of Dyson’s by dealers standard.  I have no opinion of the brushroll shape or size but believe it spins slower (when pressed into carpeting) than the DC15/17.  Regardless, it looks like deceptive dealers exclusively use and believe the DC07/14 are the Dyson’s of choice when failing out a Dyson in their Kapok “tests.”.        DIB

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Here's two...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zulOHXdDmk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXA0N0V2uOQ

Hey DIB:

There are none so blind as they who will not see.  Open your eyes, look at the dyson brush rolls in the DC07, 11, and 14.  Then look at the brush rolls in other vacuums.  Compare.  It's easy to see why dyson scrubbed them.  The VDTA had a whole exhibit this year on vacuum brush rolls.  Why?  An integral component for rug cleaning.  The crux of the matter.

Carmine D.