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DysonInventsBig
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Original Message Jun 28, 2008 12:41 am |
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Dyson is in the news frequently and so a dedicated thread. . 
 
 
This message was modified Aug 2, 2008 by DysonInventsBig
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HARDSELL
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Reply #202 Jul 9, 2008 9:07 am |
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Well HS Man: Why does dyson devote two pages with instructions and illustrations in it's User's Guide about cutting off the pet/human hair and rug wrap? Why did the dyson HELPLINE say this was causing the ratcheting noise? No. I'm not the only user with the problem. Neither is the former owner of VF's dyson. Ops there goes another dyson refurb! Cut your losses on this HS man. You lost the battle. Dyson conceded defeat. Scrubbed the clutch/puny brush bar shut off feature. You dyson devotees have a war ahead to fight. What do you tell dyson buyers, especially previous owners, or self-avowed dyson junkies like VF, why they should pay $500 plus for a new dyson and have to perform monthly filter maintenance? Ball technology? Good for a laugh, but makes for a HARDSELL! As usual Carmine you are bablling and spewing BS. Scrubbing the clutch is in no way admitting defeat. You, like me have no idea why it is not on newer models. I did give my thoughts. The clutch is not the problem. It is there to protect. Why do vacs use belts when they could use a direct (gear drive)? The belt has to slip if the brush is jammed with an object. Do you really have to vacuum so much dog hair that it jams the brush? If so, you need to take Ol Rover to the vet and get him a wig. Why would one pay $800 for an Oreck that clogs and requires frequent belt changes ? Once again you are trying to divert from your LIES. VF owns 1 Dyson out of his 25 vac collection. He did say Hoovers (plural). This sounds more like a Hoover junkie. It seems that more HooverS were out of use and he bought them (refurbs). We will fight our battles with honest and integrity against your lies and stupidity. Carmine D.
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mole
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Reply #203 Jul 9, 2008 9:28 am |
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Lets see now the customer brings back the dc07/14 because of the clutch chatter,people hate noises ,it tells them somethings wrong,Said customer is told by dyson service reps thats normal,customer feels like they been SUCKERED, I WANT MY MONEY BACK,
Dysons sick and tired of customer complaints Heres how we rectify the situation,take the clutch and belt system out, put in a single belt [its also a timing belt] but the wrong type. The noise goes away the customer thinks the machine is cleaning[HE,HE,HE] Problem solved. On to the next innovation.............. MOLE
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CarmineD
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Reply #204 Jul 9, 2008 2:11 pm |
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Lets see now the customer brings back the dc07/14 because of the clutch chatter,people hate noises ,it tells them somethings wrong,Said customer is told by dyson service reps thats normal,customer feels like they been SUCKERED, I WANT MY MONEY BACK,MOLE
Oops, there goes an ebay parade of pages and pages of dyson refurbs!
Carmine D.
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DysonInventsBig
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Reply #205 Jul 9, 2008 2:27 pm |
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Oops, there goes an ebay parade of pages and pages of dyson refurbs! Carmine D.
Hey Carmine, I hear a lot of refurb whiners here, but the number of refurbs on the market look to be miniscule compared to retail sold vacuums. If and until someone takes a break from whining and demonstrates some numbers, then and only then can this so-called refurb flooding with its… “It’s ruining my business” can be taken seriously and/or debated. DIB
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Motorhead
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Reply #206 Jul 9, 2008 2:51 pm |
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Once again I am dumbfounded by some of the things I'm reading here. First of all Carmine, you must be pulling that out of your Depends and your hands must be brown by now. To clarify, the Dyson DC07/DC14 brushroll clutch assembly was NEVER "scrubbed" and is still employed on current models!!!!! It will always remain on the DC07/14 until the models cease to exist altogether, which is not likely to happen anytime soon. INDEPENDENT DYSON DEALERS WILL ALWAYS HAVE A MARKET FOR THE DC07/DC14! The fact that the DC07 has been around for 6 years already is enough for anyone to know its widespread success and popularity in the US. It IS the machine that made a name for Dyson here. The DC14 is going to continue to be sold at big-box stores INCLUDING WAL-MART. They are receiving the standard DC14 in yellow which will sell for $399! And like the other DC07/14 models, it has...you guessed it, a clutch! The clutch is an improvement on the old slip-belt that has to be replaced. The direct motor-driven brush used on the Ball models is an improvement over that. "Immer Besser" as you might say.
Out of all the DC07s I've used, I was never able to get any ratcheting out of any of them. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the ratcheting problem Carmine has experienced was not due to the Mohawk carpet, but rather, the fact that perhaps the original clutch was defective and needed to be swapped. When working "properly" the clutch digs strongly into any pile carpet (even thick Tommy...er, Mohawk) with no ratcheting noises whatsoever. Replacing with a genuine DYSON clutch (not a bojack replacement from Hesco with the DYR prefix as Mole sells) will remedy the situation no doubt. For those of you who think the DC07/DC14 brushroll is the "worst there is" or a "failure", what about the Eureka Vibra-Groomer, which Dyson obviously took a page from, or even the much earlier Hoover brushroll of the 1910's? Are those bad because of their shape? Does the shape of the Vibra-Groomer adversely affect carpet cleaning ability and have a tendency to wrap pet hair around itself? Probably, certainly not any worse than Dyson, however since it is NOT Dyson it isn't mentioned here. Those brushrolls were designed to act as a secondary fan or impeller of sorts, generating air in addition to vigorously agitating the carpet. I wouldn't call that "bad" at all. The DC17 brushroll is more aggressive, yes, not due to its shape but rather the bristle pattern and the strength of the bristles. Some of you seem to think that the DC07/14 brushroll is "weak" due to its shape...all I can say is ignorance is bliss. Dyson sells its refurbs through their independent dealers as well as catalogs, and it's the independent dealers who mostly put them on the Internet because Dyson allows their independent dealers to make money off the refurbs (unlike Oreck, Bissell, Hoover, Eureka, and Dirt Devil). So compared the others that is actually a very honest, generous way of doing business. Before you start to criticize the Dyson refurbs, what do you think Oreck does with all of the machines that are returned within the 30 day trial (which are most of them)? They're sold as "demonstrator" models for $150. What do you think Hoover does with all of the Hoovers that are returned? They are sold as refurbished machines at Big Lots, Value City, and on the Hoover website. What do you think Eureka does with all of the returns? They're sold at Big Lots and Value City as refurbs! What do you think Dirt Devil does with all of THEIR machines that are returned? Why, they're sold at Big Lots and Value City as refurbs! Again, no different! Now can you see the pattern here? Don't say that anything is "scrubbed" again unless you know for a fact that it is truly obsolete and removed from the market. We're tired of your lies, and of you repeating them so often you believe them. -MH
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CarmineD
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Reply #209 Jul 9, 2008 5:40 pm |
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Hello, DC18: The DC03 and 04 are native to UK not the USA. You and I have different thinking on the DC07 and 14. They obviously are fine for the UK and Europe, and that's your frame of reference. I respect that. Not good for the USA. Just as the dyson DC11 appears to have done well and win praise in all places except the USA. Pulled out after 6 months in the USA. Big box stores and indy's couldn't sell for $499. Many were returned due to the whimpy power head. It skipped, stuttered, hic-cupped and stopped on most USA rugs. Are you seeing a pattern here in the USA with the early dyson models and their brush rolls? It's crystal clear to me. This is a losing battle for dyson supporters. The brush rolls were inferior for USA rugs and carpets. Period. End of debate. Move on. Concentrate your time and efforts by helping out your dyson compandres with a defense for the new dysons selling for $500 plus and require monthly filter maintenance. That's today and tomorrow's dyson issue. That's a biggie. Especially if the dyson claim: "Never loses suction" gets shot down by the courts. Be prepared for it to happen! Then what? Wait....what's that I hear in the distance? Is that the faint voice of DIB shouting? Listen! Listen carefully. What's he saying? Ball technology steers and pivots vacuums....is that it? Is that all there is to $500 dysons. B-a-l-l-s? Better do better. I hear the sound of sayanora to dyson playing on the steel guitar. Carmine D.
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mole
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Reply #210 Jul 9, 2008 6:28 pm |
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Hey Carmine, I hear a lot of refurb whiners here, but the number of refurbs on the market look to be miniscule compared to retail sold vacuums. If and until someone takes a break from whining and demonstrates some numbers, then and only then can this so-called refurb flooding with its… “It’s ruining my business” can be taken seriously and/or debated. DIB
You can choose to ignore it or deny it for now but trust me this is going to kill dysons integrity.
You can mark your calendar,july 9,2008, THE MOLE TOLD YOU SO . HOWS THE HAND VAC SELLING??????????????? MOLE
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HARDSELL
Joined: Aug 22, 2007
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Reply #211 Jul 9, 2008 6:54 pm |
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Hello, DC18: The DC03 and 04 are native to UK not the USA. You and I have different thinking on the DC07 and 14. They obviously are fine for the UK and Europe, and that's your frame of reference. I respect that. Not good for the USA. Just as the dyson DC11 appears to have done well and win praise in all places except the USA. Pulled out after 6 months in the USA. Big box stores and indy's couldn't sell for $499. Many were returned due to the whimpy power head. It skipped, stuttered, hic-cupped and stopped on most USA rugs. Are you seeing a pattern here in the USA with the early dyson models and their brush rolls? It's crystal clear to me. This is a losing battle for dyson supporters. The brush rolls were inferior for USA rugs and carpets. Period. End of debate. Move on. Concentrate your time and efforts by helping out your dyson compandres with a defense for the new dysons selling for $500 plus and require monthly filter maintenance. That's today and tomorrow's dyson issue. That's a biggie. Especially if the dyson claim: "Never loses suction" gets shot down by the courts. Be prepared for it to happen! Then what? Wait....what's that I hear in the distance? Is that the faint voice of DIB shouting? Listen! Listen carefully. What's he saying? Ball technology steers and pivots vacuums....is that it? Is that all there is to $500 dysons. B-a-l-l-s? Better do better. I hear the sound of sayanora to dyson playing on the steel guitar. Carmine D.
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