Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Dyson is in the news frequently and so a dedicated thread.

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Carmine, according to you the WM crowd is not buying Dyson's, this HSN one day sale proves there's still a lot of life in the DC07 and there are plenty who do like and can afford them (at the right price).        DIB

Hey DIB:

Where's the proof?  HSN?  Sorry.  Takes more to convince me than HSN say so.  It's hype and hawk.  Makes for a good show.  Get the TV crowd lathered up to peak their demand and buy before it sells out.  Like old fashioned auctions.

Carmine D.

You forgot one.  The halo, the most recent upright to launch in the USA.  With the UV-C light for germ extermination.  MSRP $499 but cheaper on store shelves now.  Has a manual rug height adjustment.  The standard, the norm, the expectation for all full size uprights in the USA industry.  Not on any dysons.  NONE.

With regard to the ORECK upright, its well documented here by me in discussions with MOLE that even the most expensive ORECK upright won't work well on high pile shags.  And ORECK store staff are specifically told to ask/nix the sale if customers have these carpets.  Nothing new from you, my man.  I said it first.

The majority of new uprights made and sold in the USA every year have rug height adjustments.  And headlights.  Industry standards.  Dyson doesn't.  NONE.

Carmine D.

I think he may have been a politician in his past life.

Dusty

I lived in a suburb of Wash DC for many years.  What can I say?  And worked in Wash DC for some years!  Lobbyist for the vacuum industry?  Who knows? 

Carmine D.

Hello DC18:

Here's the flaw in your thinking, which in theory is great but practice is not.  It is legendary in the USA with the HOOVER Dial in the early 60's.  Also lauded for self-adjusting floating head.  But murder to push and pull over many of the carpets of the day.  HOOVER added a 3 position manual height adjustment within 1 year and the now famous automatic power drive shortly after.

The floating head 'sinks' into medium and high carpets [especially with backing and padding].  Making the dysons DC07 and DC14 hard to push and pull.  And setting off the clutch shut off on the brush bar. 

Carmine D.

Surprising no one of the dyson menschkins commented on the dyson work around and my conspicuous use of permanent.

After laughing at the suggestions and actually doing them to see if they work, I made this argument with several dyson help line techs about this work around.  Suppose like many vacuum users I have carpets with different heights and thicknesses.  If I use the work around to assist with vacuuming on one style of carpet [keep the gawdawful ratcheting noise from giving the household members anxiety attacks], rug performance then suffers on the other rugs and carpets.  Why?  The soleplate and gaskets are meant to be permanent on the dysons.  Not to be taken off and on [get it: permanent] for every change in carpet style and cleaning.  Dyson's help response:  Return the dyson to the retailer it won't work on your carpets.  Ops! There goes another dyson refurb.

Carmine D.

Carmine,

I invite you to phone the FTC and NY Times and alike and share with them how Barry Diller’s HSN are lying, I am certain they would be interested.  Then let us know how the scheme works too.        DIB

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE0DD173EF932A15753C1A961958260

Hey DIB:

I hear Barry is looking to sell HSN!  Have you?  The NEW YORK Times.  Ah yes!  Now there's an honest newsprint paper?  For bleeding heart liberals maybe!

Did I say lie?  I said showmanship Mr. DIB!  It's part of sales.  You know that by now.  Tell me something: How do they get those sales numbers to record so quickly and accurately on the TV screen when it takes many hours after the voting elections to record the tallies?  Interesting?  Maybe I'll ask Barry and he can tell me? 

Carmine D.

Carmine,

You make a valid point (making a fix for one carpet, but having other carpet requirements too).  The bigger issue and real issue is what percentage of Dyson buyers have this problem.  My guess is - not enough to matter.    DIB

Thank you again for recognizing constructive criticism.  Dyson people were not as gracious on the phone.

BTW, that's a cop out DIB for a permanent fix especially without proof.  It mattered enough in the 1960's for HOOVER to correct on the Dial to add adjustments and even self-propel feature for people with such carpets.  EUREKA too.  And still!

Have things changed that much in the rug industry?  I doubt it.  Not on with my carpets and 2 others whom I gifted the pink DC07 dyson.  Same problem.  Clutch and ratcheting noise getting set off and disengaging the brush bar.  Ops there goes another refurb! 

More logically and practically, it could not be done by dyson even with 450 engineers.  So it made the decision it was not worth doing!

Carmine D.

Hey DC,

Does it work?  Buy the way, it is a big race day for England today, the Silvestone F1 race.  I'll be watching.        DIB