Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5iH9bdT5tcFOJz0hhY1fBBfP9KbLQ

http://www.dyson.co.uk/store/productmodel.asp?model=DC22

Having looked at the DC22 (and the DC23) in a shop and picked it up etc... this is heavier (feels heavier) than the DC05 canister (now discontinued in the UK!) and looks bigger too!  I wonder if the DC22 is bigger than the DC12 Japan model!  I think the DC05 should have been named 'Dyson Baby'!  Probably due to the bigger bin and cyclone top with root and core technology makes the DC22 look bigger!  Still a very small compact powerful machine!

DC18

DC18,

Hello, I hear the DC22 is a middle size between the DC05 and DC21.  The DC05 is small sitting next to a DC21 (by about 20-30% smaller).  I believe the DC12 would of made a great dealer exclusive and should have been here in the U.S. long ago.  In terms of size-to-power technologies it has no competitors (that I am aware of), it is radically unique and could not be undercut by retailers.  Removing the phone-home capabilities may or may not be necessary for it to be a success here.  Sell it as is, a straight suction machine.        DIB

 

P.S.  Dyson had the “Baby” trademarked for the DC12 in other countries.  Agreed, "Baby" for the DC22 is a bit of a stretch.

Hello DIB

Thanks for your info.

DC18

The Japanese DC22 filters can go years[?] before between filter cleaning.  I just found the UK's DC22 instructions online and it says "To wash filters at least once a month."  What's up this?        DIB

 

http://www.dyson.co.uk/support/help.asp?article=1457&product=DC22-ALLERGY

Hi DIB,

That's rather interesting as well.  Must be a discrepancy on the website, I believe the DC22 filters can go for 6-7 years without washing. 

I agree with what you said about the DC12 as well, that would have been a fantastic machine for the US as a compact canister (with the DDM of course).  To me it seems the DC22 while bigger than the DC12 is still smaller than the 21 and 23 hence the "Baby" designation.

-MH

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Check out the filter washing schedule discrepancies between the Canadian DC21 (every 6 months) and the Canadian DC23 (every 3 months).        DIB

http://www.english.dysoncanada.ca/customercare/manuals/ca/DC23_motorhead_caen.pdf

http://www.english.dysoncanada.ca/customercare/manuals/generic/dc21_ca_manual.pdf

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Hi DIB,

As explained to me by the Dyson rep and as we tell the consumer, the whole idea is to be more aware of the filters in the unit.  It's the same reason the filters on the DC24 are labled to be checked once a month...might not mean they need cleaning but at least check them to make sure.  We've been running the 23 and the 21 in store for awhile now and I can say that the 23 allows less dust to the secondary filter than the 21 does.  Could you go without washing for six months in the 23?  Sure...maybe even a year...but you'll always get that one application that where people vacuum every day in a big home with lots of pets and kids.  Those applications probably need to follow the 3 month schedule...perhaps even sooner. As the saying goes, better safe than sorry.

Dusty

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Not sure why that is, like Dusty says to make people more aware to check the filter regularly regardless if they need cleaning or not!  Can't see the DDM has anything to do with it!  I don't wash my filters in my DC07 or DC1much but do check them from time to time!

DC18

dusty wrote:

Dusty,

Thanks for the info.  The newest and most radical cyclonic filtering vacuum cleaner on the planet comes with a manual that suggests filter maintenance every 3 months is nothing short of a disaster.  If I remember correctly the Japanese DC22’s (both DDM and standard motors) are advertised (per Dyson Japans website) as going 5 years until filter maintenance.  And this is a HUGE business advantage over the present and future competition.  Dyson needs to separate himself and his technologies (his vacuums) as far superior to his competitors.  The DC22 can do much better it if James chooses.  Many manufacturers are in line with cyclonic patent pendings.  This is war and Dyson will loose the cyclonic filtration wars if he does not change some of his business and design beliefs ASAP!  Chinese Hoover certainly demonstrated they are willing to lye down prone and sell themselves with a unbelievable cheap multi-cyclonic.        DIB

P.S.  Playing it safe on the filter cleaning I agree with, but the DC22 should go at least 1 year at minimum before filter cleaning.

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Carmine and Mole,

A chain is only as strong as its weakest link…  If you find the weak link in the discrepancies between how the DC22 filters in the various regions, this will lead you to why the DC24 and DC25 do not filter as good as they most certainly should.  Let me know if you need additional hints.        DIB

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*Owns factory/s in 3^rd world countries as well as the brand, vice others who must pay for their sub-contractors mark-ups. 

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB Man:

You and the dyson menschkins should cut your losses on this filter farce and the DC07 and DC14 clutch and brush bar.   You have a bigger battle to fight.  Dyson fans, not MOLE and I, have to craft a legitimate defense when vacuum buyers ask why they should pay $500 plus for a dyson that requires monthly filter maintenance.  Especially after being told for 6 years that the filters don't clog: The reason always given by you to warrant the high dyson price.  Ball ain't goin to hack it!

MOLE gave the reasons several weeks ago with absolute no rebuttals received. 

First, the dyson claim "never clogs" is a myth and always was.  We know the answer.  ASA told us and dyson.

Second, the latest root technology with the primary, secondary and final dirt separators is far inferior to the earlier dyson versions.  Therefore more fine dirt has to be filtered by the pre-motor filter which then clogs if not cleaned monthly.

Third, the dyson brush bar was soooo puny on the DC07 and DC14 that the fine embedded grit normally removed by most vacuum brush rolls, [which clog filters], was not exhumed in sufficient amounts by dysons to clog the filters.  Much stayed in the rugs instead.  When dyson ramped up the brush roll design on newer models, more fine embedded dirt/grit was exhumed from the rugs than with the earlier dyson models.  Making monthly filter maintenance a  dyson/user requirement to warranty the vacuums for 5 years. 

And finally, all the above.  I choose all the above.  You can fool all of the people some of time, you can fool some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. 

Carmine D.