Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Dyson is in the news frequently and so a dedicated thread.

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You  could also add Riccar, Panasonic, Sharp and Aerus to the list of units without height adjustments. Pretty big names not following the "american standard".

Dusty

dusty wrote:

Hello Dusty:

Depends on how you define "big names."  These brands typically are indy stores and not big box retailers.  Do you know some big box store brands sold along side dyson that don't have [headlights] and/or manual rug height adjustments?

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Your original quote was that height adjustments were standard for ALL full size USA uprights.  Now it matters where  the product is sold?  Shall we assume most high end indy product is poor because it lacks a height adjustment?    For the record, last time I checked  Panasonic was sold in box stores, Eureka have models with no height adjustment as do Kenmore.  IMO the height adjust is  useless for most people,  the majority of machines that come in for repair are almost always set to the lowest setting.

Dusty

Dusty:

I stick by my statement.  Rug height adjustments are the standard for the industry for full size uprights.  Standard meaning the norm.  The norm because the majority of full sized uprights sold in big box stores and indy-s have rug height adjustments.  Is that better wordsmithing for all the dyson menschkins?

The point that I was making before this thread got diverted is this:  The dyson DC07 and DC14 are not suited for many USA carpets.  Why?  3 simple reasons.  First, the puny brush bar.  Not the industry standard in the USA.  Second, the lack of a rug height adjustment.  Also not the industry standard.  Third, the silly clutch brush bar shut off that is designed for obstructions.  It is engaged too easily by many of the carpets in the USA, unlike the UK. 

The latter so much so, dyson has a work around for it.  Remove the permanent gaskets on the permanent dyson soleplate.  One gasket first, and if that doesn't work, then the other.  If these work arounds don't work, then you're told to return the dyson.  Why?  Because if dysons won't work on your carpets after these 2 work arounds, they just won't work.  Period.  Which gets me back to my original point.  Not made for USA carpets especially if big box store venues.  Buyers get them home.  They don't work.  They are returned.  Ops. There's another dyson refurb.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Thanks for answering my question Carmine D.   Most UK houses have carpets (although in the 90's at least woodern floors were the in thing!, carpets making a comeback!) somewhere if not allover or in most rooms.  We have what we call 'under lay' under neath the carpet which can be different thicknesses!  Some carpet come back the under lay attached to the back (usually very thin)

I wouldn't say the pivoting head on the DC07 and DC14 are heavy (in my opinion)!  The idea or function is for it to float on top of the carpet.  How I see it thinker\longer pile carpet surely let air flow easier through the carpet piles unlike shorter\low pile carpets!

DC18

dusty wrote:

BTW, the RICCAR Brilliance and Radiance, its top of the line uprights, have manual rug height adjustments.  As well as the 1800 RICCAR Premium canister and the 1700 RICCAR Simplicity canister.  Both top of the line full size canister vacuums.  6 position if I recall correctly.  Also the RICCAR 1500 Series canisters [mid size] have 6 position height adjustments.  If I recall.

None of the dysons do.  NONE.

Carmine D.

dusty wrote:

EUREKA and Kenmore have models with manual rug height adjustments.  The Kenmore Progressive models, both in the upright and canisters.  Also top of the line models.  The EUREKA upright Boss Smart vacuum [$150] and Optima [$60] have rug height adjustments.  No dysons have rug height adjustments.  NONE.

The Electrolux Oxygen canister [owned, operated, and made by EUREKA] has a manual rug height adjustment.  As does the Twin Clean bagless canister [also owned, operated and made by EUREKA].   Also both are top of the line canisters.  No dysons have rug height adjustments.  NONE.

It is self-evident that in the USA rug height adjustments on vacuums are the norm, the standard, the expectation.  Even if dyson doesn't have them on any of its models.  NONE.   

Carmine D.

   

dusty wrote: CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,

Dusty has a point with real life users…  How many folks actually dial in their height adjustments or even understand how to?  Dyson, it seems built the floating nozzle for this segment of people.  I have yet to read a review from a Dyson owner complaining of Dyson’s lack of height adjustments, besides the Oreck has no height adjustments.        DIB

ORECK is a lightweight and only 8 pounds not full size upright like dyson at 18 plus.  ORECK doesn't need a rug height adjustment and works well on all carpets save very high shag carpets. 

Dusty may have a point about rug height adjustments for carpets in Canada and UK.  Not the USA.  Not now and not in the past.  Rug height adjustments have been a staple on uprights for as long as the industry exists.  From the earliest 100 year old USA makes and models to the latest and greatest USA makes and models.  Rug adjustments and headlights have been the norm.  The standard.  The expectation.

At best dyson has 10 percent of the annual new vacuum sales in the USA.  20 million new vacuums are sold each year.  I'd say as a best guess that 75 percent of the new uprights sold every year have manual rug height adjustments.  Conservatively and consistently speaking.  That's a substantial majority.   If that were not the case, the rug height adjustments on vacuums would have gone the same route as sprayers and de-mothers.  And just as quick.

Carmine D.

Hi Vacuum people.

The on going debate about auto height adjustments VS manual carpet height adjusters,has pros and cons.

The people that argue against them have a legit reason,99% of the consumers dont know what adjustment to use on their carpet height.

The auto adjustment is o.k. FOR MOST CARPETING, For heavy pile carpets with a thick padding these machine shall i say in a nice way  REALLY STRUGGLE.

There has to be a fine balance of the brushroll,belt and type of belt, and enough suction to pull dirt and dust into the bag or bin.[Not an overkill  by suction or brush roll design],

Most companies are still finding it very difficult to find this balance,Better step up the R@D,very few vacuum companies have figured this out.

I will offer a hint for them,any machine that uses a flat type belt or V belt,or even the trick kevlar belt,and has no height adjustments will continue to be problematic on todays carpeting.

Remember that 95% of vacuum trade ins or returns are due to belt and brushroll problems..........................

MOLE