Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Dyson is in the news frequently and so a dedicated thread.

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Hi Venson:

Dyson does have a way of shooting itself in the foot.  First, moving production to Malaysia in 2002 and losing the UK vacuum market in 5 years.  Now suing Japanese Samsung over a yet to be released product/just a patent for it.  Regardless of the legal outcome, dyson will lose its second best vacuum market in the world: Japan.  Talk about marketing suicide?  When will dyson ever learn?  Sooner or later you can't sue the pants off your competitors, because they longer have pants.

Carmine D. 

Whats the big deal,who cares, why cant we be friends,why cant we be friends,why cant we be friends,

MOLE

mole wrote:
Because . . .

"They say the best things in life are free
But they can give 'em to the birds and bees.
I want some money, a whole lot of money.
I want some money -- that's all I want."

Wish I'd wrote that.

Venson

Venson wrote:
The subtext to all this would be good to know. I presume that Dyson, having invested in their own 3-stage (level 3 root) cyclone technology, don't want someone else sharing the limelight.
They won the legal case with the Hoover UK 'TriClone' on a strong point - they could demonstrate that blocking one of the cyclones actually improved the performance. It sounds a similar situation with Samsung. But, Samsung had a patent for a three-stage cyclone granted first? Both patents are described as being similar, so if Samsung happened to get there first, with no prior art, what could Dyson's case possibilly be? Or is the comparision that Samsung's 3-stage cyclone doesn't improve separation as dramaticly as Dyson's 3-stage, as thus they don't want them having an unfair marketing advantage?

Question . . . Does Dyson staff it own legal team or retain independent attorneys?

Venson

Kenneth J, as a poor engineering student, had a US patent on a ball facilitator wheel long before dyson's DC15 Ball [1996 vice 2003].  But Kenneth J had no product.  He lost his case in court in Washington DC on a legal technicality [thanks to a dyson 'hired' legal team that included New York's best and most expensive 3 name lawyers in 3 piece suits].  Samsung will have a few top notch lawyers too.  See what happens when the playing field is level.  In the meantime, the Japanese vacuum market will be a wasteland for dyson.  Japanese people are very loyal to their own.  Extremely so.  What was dyson thinking?

Hello Venson: 

I suspect dyson has both.  A legal counsel/office in house on the payroll and "hired guns" for the court fights.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Thanks Carmine,

I've been trying to figure out if these frivolous lawsuits (I see them that way) are cost effective for Dyson.  Then again the only way they can be is by winning.

Samsung is of formidable size and doesn't manufacture vacuums alone.  Its flat-screen TVs are getting good ratings and doing well here in the U.S.  Add in popular cell phones and other electronic devices plus household appliances I too think they'll be able to foot the legal bills.

If I were Dyson, I think I'd spend more time trying to move ahead by improving on what it makes and leave the courts alone.  Maybe the Samsung "Silencio" vac series got 'em upset. By the way . . .

http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/type/type.do?group=homeappliances&type=vacuumcleaner#

Venson

Venson wrote:

Venson,

Better stock up on Samsung products before Dyson gets his share of their money.  Prices of Samsung goods will likely soar. 

Hello Venson:

Interestingly, Kenneth J sought legal action against dyson ONLY after his personal petitions to dyson were shunned/ignored.  At least he tried to resolve/settle the matter like a gentleman before seeking court justice [or injustice as the case may be].  Based on the tepid sales response that all the dyson ball models have received in the USA, and the drubbings of DC15 and DC24 at the hands of Consumer Reports [the DC25 has not come up to bat yet in the CR lineup], Kenneth J has definitely received street justice. 

I have to opine that Kenneth J has some personal/professional engineering friends/family at Samsung which despite its total lack of concern about vacuums [with several models of the single stage cyclone variety only], teamed up to file a patent on a triple banger just to bait the litigious dyson into a court room show down.  Knowing full well that regardless of the legal outcome, a lawsuit against Samsung by dyson guarantees that the Japanese vacuum market [the only one for dyson's brushless motor vacuum] will be shut down to all future dyson sales and products.  This hurts dyson more than any one time monetary award against Samsung should dyson win the legal suit.  I'm not sure that a dyson win is a given. 

Then, Kenneth J publishes a book about his legal story.  It will be a best seller.  Mandatory college reading for all US engineering majors and business/economic students.   Have to love the plot:  Unknown US engineering student KO's a world reknown Forbes multi-billionaire company founder/owner over a vacuum ball wheel.  The book's cover will have a picture of a Samsung large screen TV showing James stuck in the mud pushing a ball barrow filled with dyson vacuums. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
... pure fiction.