Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Dyson is in the news frequently and so a dedicated thread.

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mole wrote:
We have done well with the DC23's, they sell much better than the original DC21's simply because of the way they empty.  We carry both models in store but for the extra $50 the customer usually goes with the 23 every time.  As far as sales go, in the over $500 vacuum range, the Dyson canisters are second only to Riccar canisters for us.

Dusty

mole wrote:

Hello MOLE:

Does retired count?  If so, here's my take on dysons.  A decent bagless vacuum.  Nothing special.  Made with the same cheap foreign labor and parts as most others in the industry.  Over-priced.  Over-engineered.  Over-marketed.  And over-rated by most here save the independent vacuum store owners/operators who know the business and its products.  Would I carry if still in business?  Yes, of course.  Why?  For customers who specifically ask and want and to be an authorized service dealer to have access to the parts.  Consumers are better educated on bagless and dysons now that it has a track record in the US.  No longer an unknown entity with a honeymoon period.  And the ASA has curtailed its usage of false/exaggerated product claims. Future for dysons?  Niche vacuum, if it survives.  To do so, it has to re-invent itself for the hard times. 

Carmine D.

Hi Carmine,of course your opinion counts,even though you are supposedly out of the CLUB or LOOP, I believe that the market is more fierce now than ever before,everyone needs that EDGE.Would you sell factory  returned or refurbished machines with a good warranty by you[not DYSON], save the customer a lot of bucks and you the retailer makes more also,I think that you would why not,this is the edge that the dealers have over the big box retailers,Half the price of new sounds real good to the consumer right now doesnt it,

I think that DYSONS are going to be a must have product for the high tech  crowd,who think they are really getting something special than just a vacuum cleaner.

Just my outlook at it.

Regards

MOLE

mole wrote:

Hello MOLE:

The hi-techs are falling precipitously in the current global market too and some will not survive the fall.  They won't be buying/trading $500 plus vacuums in the near future.  Maybe $200-$250 dysons which should be possible by the end of this year.  The rebuilt classics, that their parents/and grand parents owned/used, will look good to them.  Not just for the retro-itis fact alone but due to price, performance, and fond memories.

Carnine D.

I thought awhile back that one of the dyson campers [DIB was that you?] said Wal*Mart stores would carry an exclusive new dyson ball either the DC24/25 in an Animal version.  Haven't seen it yet so asked.  And I hear otherwise.  WM stores will not carry any exclusive/specific dyson models for the Holiday season save on the WM Internet Site.  WM store locations will be hit or miss on the shelves with the brand and models.  What gives?  Did WM and James have another falling-out ala shades reminiscent of 2004?

Any official confirmation forth coming?

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Didn't look at the price but Dyson's DC14 Animal is the only model of that brand they had out today.  As for the new, they've picked up on a new Bissell meant to compete with Hoover's garage vac which I hadn't imagined all that big a seller. 

Am I touched in the head or would this for all intent and purpose simply be a lesser version of a central vac?

Venson

Venson wrote:

Hi Venson:

I haven't seen the BISSELL competition for the HOOVER garage vacuum.  I'll keep my eyes open for it.  My thought too:  A scaled down central vacuum.  BTW, I like the HOOVER garage vacuum but it's nothing special. 

I would not be surprised if dyson enters this market too with products.  I'm surprised it hasn't already.  It is ideally suited for it.  Why?  It could easily use canister and upright components of existing models to fabricate a worthy garage/central vacuum cleaner.  And skirt the weakness that has plagued many dyson models:  Perfecting a brush roll more suited for American usage than European.  How?  Use one of the many power heads already on the market for a CVS.

Carmine D.

For all across the pond: What's the latest information on the Westfield Mall due to open next week in London?  Likely for all the space to be filled with retailers?  Optimistic/pessimistic prediction for its opening success?  Any vacuum brands/vendors to be there, presumbably dyson?  I believe there is a German connection to the Mall and Westfield Group [Commerzbank AG], any MIELE/SEBO presence?

Thanks in advance for any intelligence forthcoming.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Carmine,
I say “The hell with Walmart and their cutthroat ways”.  It maybe a necessary evil (to sell product), but it’s an evil nonetheless.  I saw the DC25 Animal there many months ago and did not say if it was a WM exclusive.

Today, I saw a Los Angeles Target offering these Dyson models:
DC25 Animal
DC25 All Floors
DC24 All Floors
DC17
DC14

DIB

Thanks DIB, I thought it was you who made the statement months ago.  Looks like it scrubbed the DC07, DC15, and DC18.  Surprisingly the DC18 is supposed to be the best dyson sku according to Matt mmc Airblade.  What about the DC16?  Was that scrubbed too?

I suppose the DC25 was just a dyson store display model to bait interest.   Brand makers will drop off a new product and leave in stores to vet client/customer interest.  Hoping the store management will petition Corporate to buy and sell the items.  In the present economy it would be a HARDSELL for WM especially for a dyson ball DC24/DC25 for $400-$500.  I suspect retailers' staffs/management trade inside information on products and their sales.  I can't imagine any dyson ball models [including DC15 for $300] are even on the radar screen for WM customers. 

BTW, don't know if you follow such matters, but Wal*Mart is the only retailer whose stock price has actually appreciated over the last year and stayed steady despite the huge market fluctuations.  WM and COSTCO have been the ONLY bright spots on the retail sales reports all year.  All other retailers' stock prices, including BEST BUY, SEARS, and the like are down.  BEST BUY and SEARS' stock prices almost in half from year ago levels.  Other retailers have fared very poorly too. 

Carmine D.