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DysonInventsBig
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The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Original Message May 29, 2008 12:41 pm |
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ORECK - The business, the history, the machine, the man and related. (Below: Oreck 1979 to 2008)
< yr. 1979 < yr. 5/2008
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HARDSELL
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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #139 Jun 22, 2008 7:18 pm |
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TELL US WHICH ANTI-ORECKER ON HERE MADE THIS STATEMENT. THIS IS MY THIRD REQUEST FOR THE INFO AND YOU HAVE FAILED ONCE AGAIN IN ANSWERING. My good HS: I am the most ardent anti-Orecker, bar none. Over 40 plus years in the business and never sold a new ORECK. Turned Dave down when he wanted me to sell them. Refused. How much more anti-ORECK can you be? Even Dusty, who pushes dyson as the best bagless over many bagged vacuums, sells ORECK-s. Finally I bought one to make my dear Wife happy after she saw and used one many years ago. She never stopped raving and ranting about it. Said she loved the way it devoured this white powdery stuff in the store's demo. She said it would do the same for all the sand. She was right. ORECK is the best vacuum we've used in my our home since the HOOVER WT! Over the course of my 50 years in the vacuum business, I've personally and professionally visited at least 100 ORECK stores nationwide from coast to coast. Based on my personal and professional opinion, I admit that they are the model for all vacuum stores to emulate. Carmine D.
WEASEL,
This is your first anti-Oreck statement. You really do not respond well when caught lieing.
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CarmineD
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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #140 Jun 22, 2008 8:11 pm |
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HARDSELL: In over 40 years of business, I never sold a new ORECK. I never used a new ORECK personally until April 2007. I'm the pro-HOOVER poster. Right? Isn't that what you always say. You don't have to say anti-ORECK words to be. Didn't you learn one of life's lessons: Actions speak louder and longer than words. I'm living and breathing proof! As I said, even the most anti-ORECK-er [me] agrees that the ORECK stores and staff are top notch in the industry. Not because I will/wish them to be. I take no credit for ORECK's success and business professionalism. The ORECK stores and staffs are models for the industry to emulate. Carmine D.
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HARDSELL
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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #141 Jun 22, 2008 9:32 pm |
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HARDSELL: In over 40 years of business, I never sold a new ORECK. I never used a new ORECK personally until April 2007. I'm the pro-HOOVER poster. Right? Isn't that what you always say. You don't have to say anti-ORECK words to be. Didn't you learn one of life's lessons: Actions speak louder and longer than words. I'm living and breathing proof! As I said, even the most anti-ORECK-er [me] agrees that the ORECK stores and staff are top notch in the industry. Not because I will/wish them to be. I take no credit for ORECK's success and business professionalism. The ORECK stores and staffs are models for the industry to emulate. Carmine D. Still trying to weasel out of your statement. Take your medicine and calm down.
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DysonInventsBig
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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #142 Jun 23, 2008 2:06 am |
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Hardsell: Bag makers (3M included) and vacuum manufacturers do not like the phrase "suction loss", they instead approve and bury in their manuals the clandestine term "Low pressure loss." Why? Because the average consumer has no idea what this term means. DIB ou are beginning to sound like Carmine. Call it what you wish. Performance declines as the bag fills. Hardsell, I researched and brought to light that 3M (who many believe invented the best bag filter – the Filtrete) and bagged vacuum manufacturers do admit that their filters (the bag) suffer with suction loss. But instead of using an easy to understand phrase of "suction loss" they use the techno term for it… “Low Pressure Drop”. And because Low Pressure Drop means absolutely nothing to the masses, these guys get away with tricky messaging. And for this you say sound like Carmine? Hardly! DIB
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CarmineD
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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #144 Jun 23, 2008 12:29 pm |
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Hello MOLE: Wasn't it an Englishman named Hubert Cecil Booth who first coined the word vacuum after his invention and his company. In fact he went from house to house with his horse drawn street vacuum where the residents inside would hold "vacuum tea parties." The muckety mucks would sip tea while the hoses from the street vacuum were shuffled into the open windows to do the house vacuuming. Fast forward one hundred years and ORECK owners hold ORECK parties. History repeating itself. The Booth contraption was called a Puffing Billy. About the turn of the 20 Century. Then Spangler came along in 1907 in the USA with his portable version. Boss Hoover marketed it for $75. Should have called it "spangling" rather "hoovering." Carmine D.
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HARDSELL
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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #146 Jun 23, 2008 3:30 pm |
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Hello MOLE: Wasn't it an Englishman named Hubert Cecil Booth who first coined the word vacuum after his invention and his company. In fact he went from house to house with his horse drawn street vacuum where the residents inside would hold "vacuum tea parties." The muckety mucks would sip tea while the hoses from the street vacuum were shuffled into the open windows to do the house vacuuming. Fast forward one hundred years and ORECK owners hold ORECK parties. History repeating itself. The Booth contraption was called a Puffing Billy. About the turn of the 20 Century. Then Spangler came along in 1907 in the USA with his portable version. Boss Hoover marketed it for $75. Should have called it "spangling" rather "hoovering." Carmine D. I'll bet those Oreck parties are a blast. I have visions of all those folks at the nursing home sitting around drinking Geratol and swallowing pills while the janitor vacuums with the Oreck.
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mole
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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #147 Jun 23, 2008 3:52 pm |
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Those are not ORECK parties,there clinics on vacuum cleaning usage,sort of like physical therapy,if you can change the belt and brushroll in less than 3 hours,then a party is thrown in your honor, Then you are known as the vacuum KING or QUEEN. Then if you can change the fan and fan case,you are on the board of directors,and in charge of research and development.[Sorry H.S. your not qualified] HAPPY $#%*MING MOLE
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Motorhead
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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #148 Jun 23, 2008 7:34 pm |
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I'm back, after a long and much-needed break. Seems Carmine is at it again as usual This thread has taken quite an interesting turn. As anti-Oreck as I am (overpriced electric broom combined with a useless handheld, what a great combination) I have also mentioned before that the Oreck stores *are* clean, organized, and well-managed, with the attendants being very friendly. Of course what has not been said is there is a reason for that...they don't get any business! The few times I have gone into Oreck stores, I was always the only visitor there, and when I acted interested I was shown every machine they had. You could tell they were laying it on thick too, they must be desperate for sales the way they seem to kiss the customer's @$$ so much. The problem I have, and the reason I'm anti-Oreck, is that they do not have to produce vacuums this way, they CHOOSE to. They could EASILY improve the design for performance (dare I say it could use its own tools, but then they wouldn't be profiting off of that hand vac). I don't see how the diameter of the fan and fan chamber couldn't be increased while still keeping the current low-profile housing (after all it is the handle pivot that is the fan chamber), and a lifetime geared or serpentine belt added while keeping the current motor so as not to compromise size or weight too much. Eureka showed us that you can have a small low-amperage motor and a regular-size fan with no problems and decent performance, and Tacony showed us that you can have a lifetime belt on a single-motor lightweight upright (throwing the claim of "Oh it only has one motor, a lifetime belt won't work" out the window). I don't see why Oreck can't keep up with the times and update. -MH
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