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DysonInventsBig


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The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Original Message   May 29, 2008 12:41 pm

ORECK - The business, the history, the machine, the man and related.

(Below: Oreck 1979 to 2008)



  < yr. 1979  < yr. 5/2008


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CarmineD


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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #135   Jun 22, 2008 1:56 pm
Hello MOLE:

I've talked and still do with the ORECK store owners and managers when I have occasion.  Inevitably they speak highly of the business relationship with ORECK.  Even those who are no longer with ORECK have only praise for the products, people, and business experience.

Many of the ORECK stores' staff people go to ORECK after spending time with other vacuum brands, like Kirby, Electrolux, Rainbow and even HOOVER.  They usually rate ORECK as good, and more often better, than the others for employee-employer relations. 

Carmine D.

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HARDSELL


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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #136   Jun 22, 2008 3:45 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Even the most ardent anti-ORECK-ers here admit that the ORECK staff and stores are professional and pristine.  Always! 
Carmine D.
TELL US WHICH ANTI-OREDKER ON HERE MADE THIS STATEMENT.  THIS IS MY THIRD REQUEST FOR THE INFO AND YOU HAVE FAILED ONCE AGAIN IN ANSWERING.  YOUR HABITIAL LIEING IS COMICAL.
SORT OF LIKE YOUR CLAIM THAT ALL ORECK BUYERS ARE 100% SATISFIED.  WHEN I PROVED OTHERWISE YOU BEGGED TO DROP THE ISSUE.
MOST ARE AWARE OF YOUR BS BY NOW.
CarmineD


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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #137   Jun 22, 2008 6:12 pm
TELL US WHICH ANTI-ORECKER ON HERE MADE THIS STATEMENT.  THIS IS MY THIRD REQUEST FOR THE INFO AND YOU HAVE FAILED ONCE AGAIN IN ANSWERING.  

My good HS: 

I am the most ardent anti-Orecker, bar none.  Over 40 plus years in the business and never sold a new ORECK.  Turned Dave down when he wanted me to sell them.  Refused.  How much more anti-ORECK can you be?  Even Dusty, who pushes dyson as the best bagless over many bagged vacuums, sells ORECK-s.  Finally I bought one to make my dear Wife happy after she saw and used one many years ago.  She never stopped raving and ranting about it.  Said she loved the way it devoured this white powdery stuff in the store's demo.  She said it would do the same for all the sand.  She was right.  ORECK is the best vacuum we've used in my our home since the HOOVER WT!

Over the course of my 50 years in the vacuum business, I've personally and professionally visited at least 100 ORECK stores nationwide from coast to coast.  Based on my personal and professional opinion, I admit that they are the model for all vacuum stores to emulate. 

Carmine D.

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CarmineD


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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #138   Jun 22, 2008 6:27 pm
SORT OF LIKE YOUR CLAIM THAT ALL ORECK BUYERS ARE 100% SATISFIED.  WHEN I PROVED OTHERWISE YOU BEGGED TO DROP THE ISSUE.

HS:

ORECK provides a free in home 30 day trial.  If not 100 percent satisfied during that time, customers can return the vacuum free of charge and keep the giveaways. 

I presume if they keep the ORECK-s, they're satisfied.  If not, they don't buy and return.

Carmine D.

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HARDSELL


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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #139   Jun 22, 2008 7:18 pm
CarmineD wrote:
TELL US WHICH ANTI-ORECKER ON HERE MADE THIS STATEMENT.  THIS IS MY THIRD REQUEST FOR THE INFO AND YOU HAVE FAILED ONCE AGAIN IN ANSWERING.  

My good HS: 

I am the most ardent anti-Orecker, bar none.  Over 40 plus years in the business and never sold a new ORECK.  Turned Dave down when he wanted me to sell them.  Refused.  How much more anti-ORECK can you be?  Even Dusty, who pushes dyson as the best bagless over many bagged vacuums, sells ORECK-s.  Finally I bought one to make my dear Wife happy after she saw and used one many years ago.  She never stopped raving and ranting about it.  Said she loved the way it devoured this white powdery stuff in the store's demo.  She said it would do the same for all the sand.  She was right.  ORECK is the best vacuum we've used in my our home since the HOOVER WT!

Over the course of my 50 years in the vacuum business, I've personally and professionally visited at least 100 ORECK stores nationwide from coast to coast.  Based on my personal and professional opinion, I admit that they are the model for all vacuum stores to emulate. 

Carmine D.



WEASEL,

This is your first anti-Oreck statement.  You really do not respond well when caught lieing.

CarmineD


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Points: 5894

Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #140   Jun 22, 2008 8:11 pm
HARDSELL:

In over 40 years of business, I never sold a new ORECK.  I never used a new ORECK personally until April 2007.  I'm the pro-HOOVER poster.  Right?  Isn't that what you always say.

You don't have to say anti-ORECK words to be.  Didn't you learn one of life's lessons:  Actions speak louder and longer than words.  I'm living and breathing proof! 

As I said, even the most anti-ORECK-er [me] agrees that the ORECK stores and staff are top notch in the industry.  Not because I will/wish them to be.  I take no credit for ORECK's success and business professionalism.  The ORECK stores and staffs are models for the industry to emulate. 

Carmine D.

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HARDSELL


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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #141   Jun 22, 2008 9:32 pm
CarmineD wrote:
HARDSELL:

In over 40 years of business, I never sold a new ORECK.  I never used a new ORECK personally until April 2007.  I'm the pro-HOOVER poster.  Right?  Isn't that what you always say.

You don't have to say anti-ORECK words to be.  Didn't you learn one of life's lessons:  Actions speak louder and longer than words.  I'm living and breathing proof! 

As I said, even the most anti-ORECK-er [me] agrees that the ORECK stores and staff are top notch in the industry.  Not because I will/wish them to be.  I take no credit for ORECK's success and business professionalism.  The ORECK stores and staffs are models for the industry to emulate. 

Carmine D.



Still trying to weasel out of your statement.  Take your medicine and calm down.
DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #142   Jun 23, 2008 2:06 am
DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hardsell:  Bag makers (3M included) and vacuum manufacturers do not like the phrase "suction loss", they instead approve and bury in their manuals the clandestine term "Low pressure loss."  Why?  Because the average consumer has no idea what this term means.        DIB

Hardsell:  Bag makers (3M included) and vacuum manufacturers do not like the phrase "suction loss", they instead approve and bury in their manuals the clandestine term "Low pressure loss."  Why?  Because the average consumer has no idea what this term means.        DIB

HARDSELL wrote:

ou are beginning to sound like Carmine.  Call it what you wish.  Performance declines as the bag fills.

Hardsell,

I researched and brought to light that 3M (who many believe invented the best bag filter – the Filtrete) and bagged vacuum manufacturers do admit that their filters (the bag) suffer with suction loss.  But instead of using an easy to understand phrase of "suction loss" they use the techno term for it… “Low Pressure Drop”.  And because Low Pressure Drop means absolutely nothing to the masses, these guys get away with tricky messaging.  And for this you say sound like Carmine?  Hardly!        DIB


mole


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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #143   Jun 23, 2008 6:54 am
Heres something else for you to research,if a vacuum cleaner produces no vacuum ,HOW CAN THEY CALL IT A VACUUM CLEANER.

Now we will see if you have any history on the subject...........


REGARDS

MOLE
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #144   Jun 23, 2008 12:29 pm
Hello MOLE:

Wasn't it an Englishman named Hubert Cecil Booth who first coined the word vacuum after his invention and his company.  In fact he went from house to house with his horse drawn street vacuum where the residents inside would hold "vacuum tea parties."  The muckety mucks would sip tea while the hoses from the street vacuum were shuffled into the open windows to do the house vacuuming.  Fast forward one hundred years and ORECK owners hold ORECK parties.  History repeating itself.

The Booth contraption was called a Puffing Billy.  About the turn of the 20 Century.  Then Spangler came along in 1907 in the USA with his portable version.   Boss Hoover marketed it for $75.  Should have called it "spangling" rather "hoovering."

Carmine D. 

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