Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Hello Dusty:

I posted your quotes in red to stand out.  

Once again, you are back pedalling.  You are the most conflicted and confused poster on this Forum.  You sell dysons [presumably for the profit] but your heart is with RICCAR and SEBO.  

About a week ago you proclaimed the authenticity of the Asthma and Allergy Foundation certs for dyson vacuums in the US and CAN.  Yesterday, you did an about face.  You said all certs by the RIA are biased because they are granted for a fee for service.  Today, I point out your contradictory posts.  You then say you take certs/approvals with a grain of salt.  Three different positions on certs/approvals in one week.  For, against, and neutral.  You can't have it three ways!  Unless you are running for President.   

Indeed if you believe and post that certs/approvals are useless because they are biased in accepting fees, then it's true for all certs/approvals that charge fees.  Including the Asthma and Allergy Foundation certs in the USA and Canada for dysons.  Right?  That's deductive reasoning.  It's self-evident. 

You are either so conflicted and confused or, like many of the dyson fans who post here, you provide proof for my statement.  Where one stands oftentimes depends on where he/she sits.  Chose your poison and swallow gingerly!

Carmine D.

Well for starters, I believe the last time you accused me of back peddling I replied with an explanation to which you seemed to accept.  Was this not the case?  If not I'd prefer you make it a little more clear so I can explain again.  I'd appreciate you checking my post from a week ago, for the life of me I don't recall proclaiming the authenticity of the Asthma and Allergy Foundation.  I simply used them as an example much like I'd use Consumer Reports  or you would use the RIA.  If you wish to discuss whether any of these companies are really independent or impartial we should start another thread.  You once again accuse me of selling Dysons for profit even though I have told on two occasions (maybe more) there is more profit in Riccar, Sebo, Miele and Oreck.  I'm not sure what else I can do to convince you of this other than send you wholesale price lists but as a former dealer I'm sure you know what I say is true.  Lasty, I am neither conflicted or confused.  You have read something from my post that I never stated. No big deal...happens to all of us.

Dusty

Dusty:

The Carpet and Rug Institute is testing all its members' models for the "green label" too.  A recent added category.  Hence, many members' vacuums are not yet listed on the Site subject to the completion of testing and analyses against the new criteria.  ORECK included.  Your heartfelt brands: RICCAR and SEBO fare well and have CRI recommended models certified as 'green.' 

Conspicuously excluded is your fave money mark up brand dyson.  Perhaps with the new "green label" certification, dyson will submit its latest vacuums for testing and approval?

Carmine D.

dusty wrote:

Dusty. 

I point out using your posts and words [not inferring] only a week apart.  It happens to you.  Not all of us.  You, Dusty.  You flip, flop, waffle, back pedal, retract, revise, restate, repost.  In the same day and/or week.  Sounds like classic case of a person in conflict and confusion.

Unless you are a politician running for President.  You're not running for President are you?  Because it's too late.  Both parties have their candidates.  Maybe VP? 

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:
So as 1 poster said 2 years ago,[WHY USE ANY FILTERS AT ALL?],

The consumer wont clean them anyway most of the time they dont know they are there,the sales people wont tell them if they did the customer walks away,and realize the scam.........

Heres some poison for you,The rainbow salesmen avoid the cleaning aspect or maintaince involved in using a bagless vacuum,because if they told the customer before hand whats involved [THEY WOULD NEVER BUY IT],
 Just for kicks i leave a bagless upright loaded with dirt on the showroom floor,Ask the customer if they would like to empty it out and clean the filters[every one of them has declined]. The usual response is why dont they put a bag in it,

MOLE

CarmineD wrote:
Hey Carmine,
It took a while but now the truth is known,  As you have been saying for 3 years its just an overpriced regina electric broom,

Thanks for the truth, anyone interested in an airblade?????

BYE BYE  SIR JIMMY,WERE NOT GOING TO MISS YOU......

MOLE

CarmineD wrote:
Do you say this as fact or are you assuming that they haven't been tested yet?  Does this also mean that just because a manufacturer is a member that their vacuum is automatically certified?  Riccar has not been listed anywhere near as long as Oreck yet they make the grade.

Dusty

CarmineD wrote:
And I asked you to point out where I wrote about the authenticity of the Asthma and Allergy Foundation.  You haven't because I never mentioned it.  You can quote my posts all you'd like, I'd just appreciate it if you wrote about what was said and not what you want to read into it.

Being Canadian I can't run for President but that's ok...sounds like you have just as much issue with those running as you do with Dyson.

Dusty

mole wrote:
MOLE! I LOVE THAT IDEA!!!!! I plan to steal it from you and use it myself....but, I thought I'd ask for permission first! LOL.

Hi LUCKY1, of course you can use it. You are going to love the reactions and comments about it.Just point out to the customer how much the filters cost,and say to them but look at all the money your going to save by not buying bags.................................

I hope you make a fortune because of it.......

MOLE

Dusty:

Once again with highlights and excerpts: A new category for testing has been added to the CRI approval.  CRI tests ALL the vacuums to see if they are worthy too of the green label.  I assume that the CRI is making the green label a standard for its seal of approval.  Why?  Because CRI does not have two separate lists for vacuums: One list for the CRI rug recommendation and one list for the green label.  It's both and/or nothing.  Do I know that for a fact?  No, I don't.  It is my personal and professional opinion.  [I suspect that is the reason you did not find ORECK-s vacuums.  But ORECK is listed as a member with a link to its Web Site.

Here's an excerpt from the CRI Web Site:

Tough standards for soil removal and indoor air quality

CRI combines the indoor air quality protection of its Green Label vacuum program with enhanced cleaning standards of its Seal of Approval programs to identify even better performing vacuum cleaners than the previous program. Under the Seal of Approval/Green Label vacuum program, manufacturers must meet higher performance standards and are rewarded with Gold, Silver or Bronze ratings. This program tests two general categories of vacuums:

• General-purpose vacuums approved for use on all conventional carpet styles
• Vacuums specifically approved for use on carpet with a low pile, or surface texture, measuring approximately a quarter inch or less

To earn the CRI Seal of Approval/Green Label certification, vacuums must pass the following independent laboratory tests:

• Soil removal — CRI uses NASA-enhanced x-ray fluorescence technology instead of traditional gravimetrix testing to measure the precise amount of soil removed from carpet — either 30 oz/sy commercial cut pile carpet or 30 oz/sy loop pile carpet.
• Dust containment —  The vacuum must not release more than 100 micrograms of dust particles per cubic meter of air, keeping dirt and dust locked tight in the vacuum —not escaping back into the air where it can be breathed.
• Carpet fiber retention —The vacuum must not affect the texture of the commercial cut pile carpet (900 passes with sample rotated every 50 passes) more than a one-step change based on one year of normal vacuum use.
• Carpet fiber retention —The vacuum must not affect the texture of the commercial cut pile carpet (900 passes with sample rotated every 50 passes) more than a one-step change based on one year of normal vacuum use.
• Carpet fiber retention —The vacuum must not affect the texture of the commercial cut pile carpet (900 passes with sample rotated every 50 passes) more than a one-step change based on one year of normal vacuum use.
• Dust containment —  The vacuum must not release more than 100 micrograms of dust particles per cubic meter of air, keeping dirt and dust locked tight in the vacuum —not escaping back into the air where it can be breathed.
• Carpet fiber retention —The vacuum must not affect the texture of the commercial cut pile carpet (900 passes with sample rotated every 50 passes) more than a one-step change based on one year of normal vacuum use.
• Carpet fiber retention —The vacuum must not affect the texture of the commercial cut pile carpet (900 passes with sample rotated every 50 passes) more than a one-step change based on one year of normal vacuum use.
• Carpet fiber retention —The vacuum must not affect the texture of the commercial cut pile carpet (900 passes with sample rotated every 50 passes) more than a one-step change based on one year of normal vacuum use.
• Dust containment —  The vacuum must not release more than 100 micrograms of dust particles per cubic meter of air, keeping dirt and dust locked tight in the vacuum —not escaping back into the air where it can be breathed.
• Carpet fiber retention —The vacuum must not affect the texture of the commercial cut pile carpet (900 passes with sample rotated every 50 passes) more than a one-step change based on one year of normal vacuum use.
• Carpet fiber retention —The vacuum must not affect the texture of the commercial cut pile carpet (900 passes with sample rotated every 50 passes) more than a one-step change based on one year of normal vacuum use.
• Carpet fiber retention —The vacuum must not affect the texture of the commercial cut pile carpet (900 passes with sample rotated every 50 passes) more than a one-step change based on one year of normal vacuum use.

Dyson is not a member of CRI as of yesterday's list. 

As a CRI member, your vacuums had to have passed the CRI rug tests by meeting the previous criteria for CRI approval and certification.  Being a CRI member, does not automatically bestow the new green label.  If it were automatic, ORECK-s vacuums would already be listed.  I presume if ORECK vacuums [any member's vacuums] do not meet/pass the green label requirement, they will be dropped from the CRI members' list.

An aside, on politics.  It will be a close Presidential election.  Whoever wins will be a one termer. BTW, a Commander-in- Chief, a title Americans use for the President of the USA, should not be allowed to send American troops to fight in wars, unless and until he/she has walked the battle field of the dead and wounded.  By this standard, only one candidate is qualified to make that call.  

Carmine D.